Keim: Agent talks ongoing with FAs

Posted by Darren Urban on December 19, 2016 – 8:18 am

Steve Keim noted — as was easy to see — that Calais Campbell played well in the loss to the Saints. And the Cardinals General Manager is not unaware of all the talk — including by Campbell himself — that Campbell might not be with the Cardinals next season with his free agency coming up (Campbell has made pretty clear he’d like to stay, but it’s a business.) The Cardinals have a lot of players who are about to become free agents. Keim, speaking on the “Doug and Wolf” show on Arizona Sports 98.7, emphasized Monday it’s not like the Cards aren’t trying to be proactive with their roster.

“One thing public does not generally know, we have spoken to many agents regarding players whose contracts expire after the season and some whose contracts do not expire after the season that we’d just like to try to extend,” Keim said. “It takes two sides. Those are conversations I’ll keep to myself, that we don’t generally talk about through the media. There are several players we’d like to have back, but it takes two sides.”

— Keim said the Michael Floyd situation and subsequent release was “an unfortunate incident for both sides. Michael has moved on and we have moved on and I wish him nothing but the best.”

Keim was also asked about the reaction from the players about Floyd’s release — it wasn’t hard to see Larry Fitzgerald wasn’t thrilled with the situation — and whether the team talked to the leaders in the locker room about the move.

“No, I think the one thing, as players, you never can tell what they are thinking,” Keim said. “There is no doubt there is a tremendous amount of loyalty from player to player, which you have to respect. These guys are in the locker room and they are fighting and they are competing. There is a natural love. And listen, it’s no different as an organization, you get emotionally attached to these players. So when you have to make tough decisions it’s extremely difficult because you don’t just think of guys as football players. You also care about the person.”

(As for the reasons why Floyd was cut, team president Michael Bidwill addressed those Sunday.)

— Overall, with the playoffs officially gone, Keim said his biggest disappointment was that the team “underachieved.” He wants to use the lost season as a learning tool. Along those lines, it includes the need to build the “right kind of locker room.” Looking at a guy’s physical tools sometimes can overshadow the smarts a player has or his ability to process information, which need to be factored in.

“That’s the hardest to see as an evaluator, the heart and the mind,” Keim said.

— Keim liked what he saw from Carson Palmer Sunday, as well as Smokey Brown, Campbell and Tony Jefferson. He thought the offensive line held up “fairly well” given their circumstances. As for some of the newer/younger guys, he noticed linebacker Scooby Wright make a good block on special teams and guard Taylor Boggs hold up after being beat early. Linebacker Sio Moore was active, although Keim acknowledged he got beat a few times later in the game. As for rookies Brandon Williams and Robert Nkemdiche, Keim was muted in his praise but he still gave some, saying Nkemdiche flashed a couple of times and he still feels both will improve heading into 2017.

“Like I said last week, we’re using these last three games as somewhat of a litmus test of where you want to go in 2017 (with the roster),” Keim said.

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  1. By JTDG on Dec 19, 2016 | Reply

    Yes Steve, it is hard to know what the players are thinking, unless you sit down with the captains. Why would you not do that?

    If you wanted Campbell back, why did you let him have a 15 million dollar hit this year? A new contract could have lowered that number, and allowed you to pick up…. oh I don’t know… A REAL CB !!!

    “That’s the hardest to see as an evaluator, the heart and the mind,” Keim said.

    What ??? It is virtually the same team as last year that went 13-3, except you got weaker in the secondary when Powers left and Badger got hurt and you added Chandler Jones, who played on the super bowl Patriots.
    Who are you blaming it on?

    Please, please fire this man. He is so out of touch.

  2. By kauaicardsfan on Dec 19, 2016 | Reply

    Watched the game and was grateful that they played hard! Refs made a poor call, some players trying too hard making it worst on some plays (Bethel, Fitz) but they were trying and not packing it in.
    Punter Wile was great! Nice to see punts go down the field for a change!!!
    We need to keep Campbell and Jefferson for sure !
    Will be interesting how the team will look next year? Hopefully all the pieces will fall into place?

    Also keep looking for a name for DJ, lets try David ” the prodigy “Johnson, sorry BJ Penn 🙂


  3. By Kevin S Mesa on Dec 19, 2016 | Reply

    Just noticed the quote from Palmer in the Twitter feed — “… I expect to play in 2017.” OK, now let’s get the same quote from Larry.

  4. By Darren Urban on Dec 19, 2016 | Reply

    Kevin S —

    RE: Fitz

    Larry talked about 2017 too:

  5. By JTDG on Dec 19, 2016 | Reply

    My top 5 biggest concerns going into 2017:

    1. Larry leaving. I have no evidence, but I feel I am about 80% sure he will leave after the next two games. If Larry leaves, do you really feel good about a receiving corps of Brown, Brown , Nelson and Golden?

    2. Tyrann Matheu – Is clearly not the same guy of 2015. His cover skills are so weak. If he doesn’t rebound in ’17, what do you do with him and his 12.5 million dollar a year contract ?

    3. Remember when the cards kept Logan Thomas and cut Lindley? Then when Palmer and Stanton were hurt, they turned to Lindley (the guy cut) over Thomas (the guy they kept). Is the same thing happening with Boehm and Toner? I am watching guys who were cut playing over those two who were kept. Not a good sign for either of these two guys. Who is going to play on this OLine?

    4. Betchler and his zones. I get, if you don’t have the guys who can man up, you have to go to zones. But this team is so lost when we go to zones and the mismatches the saints were able to find were a joke. If Keim (and that is a huge If) was able to find the right guys to match up, is he going to still run those weak zones?

    5. The defensive line. If Campbell and Rucker leave, who will step up? Nkemdichi did not flash for me at all and Gunter is doing next to nothing. Stinson doesn’t even dress out. I think Mauro makes plays, but who else?

  6. By AndyM on Dec 19, 2016 | Reply

    “Hearts and minds”: it was very interesting to see players cutting up on the sideline with less than three minutes to go and the team down by two touchdowns. It might be just me, but it seems there has been a resignation by most of the players that the season wasn’t going to work out and there has been a lot of going through the motions despite protestations to the contrary. Dropped passes, missed tackles, missed turnover opportunities, lack of ball protection, lack of special teams execution, consistent last minute losses and focus on personal goals and statistics: the 2016 Cardinals have shown little heart and mental strength. It started in pre-season and became terminal in the Seattle game. As an outsider looking in, I think the decision with Floyd was long overdue and that the hurt feelings of the players matter less than showing that the organization will hold players accountable for on and off-field performance.

  7. By mitchaz on Dec 19, 2016 | Reply

    Good writeup, Darren!

    Correct me if I am wrong but I got the feeling that even though SK didn’t want to speak about individual FAs when he said “it takes two sides”—intuition tells me that with regard to Calais Campbell SK was hinting at the two sides are far apart. Campbell was apparently choked up pre-game when asked about whether this was his last game at U of P. Is the writing on the wall?

    I also would like to ask you if SK tried to extend CC’s contract last summer?—his $15.3M cap hit made it tough for Keim to finish off the roster—and it felt like the it was the elephant in the room all off-season.

    It was also weird that a few months into the off-season last year, CC hadn’t even signed up with a new agent and everything was sitting in limbo. What do you think happened in terms of his late hiring of an agent and nothing being done to help the Cardinals with the 2016 cap?

  8. By Darren Urban on Dec 19, 2016 | Reply

    Mitchaz —

    RE: Campbell

    I do not know if they officially tried to extend Campbell last year.

    I think they have a number in mind with what they want to pay Campbell. My guess is Campbell/his agent feel they can do a lot better on the open market. Simple as that.

  9. By Adam Smith b1723 fka DTL on Dec 19, 2016 | Reply

    48 burger, at home to 5-8 team, will sting a very long time…biggest failure this year of coaches, failure to adapt, adjust intragame and between halves. On our heels all day. #SHM 48 points. 5th time 30 or more on year… LF and Brit fumbles at own 30 hurt, a lot, but 48 burger in my mind, indelible…when we beat Pack 54-48…it was poor D. Truth: this is a poor D.

  10. By Ottis Anderson Fan on Dec 19, 2016 | Reply

    “Looking at a guy’s physical tools sometimes can overshadow the smarts a player has or his ability to process information, which need to be factored in.”

    Prime example: Robert Nkemdiche (a worshiped guy with his head in the clouds who we couldn’t pass up because of his freakish physical tools).

    Prime example: Russell Wilson (a hungry natural born leader who we passed over because we thought he was too small).

    Prime example: David Johnson (a hungry, humble player we didn’t let escape who loves to play the game).

  11. By JTDG on Dec 19, 2016 | Reply

    Adam Smith,

    Watching live, the three things that stood out right away to me were;

    1. The saints offense were moving at a different speed than our defense. no one could hang with the speed for N.O.
    Badger looks so small and slow out there, it must be embarrassing to watch film after his year in 2015. Even Peterson struggled with the speed. LB mismatches, safety mismatches. The saints were just much faster.

    2. The saints offensive line was huge. Peat (LT) is a monster of a man and RT Streif isn’t far behind. They were able to run the ball well (132 yrds).

    3. the cardinals only ran the ball 15 times but gained 116 yards. You would think when you play a high power offense, you might want to run the ball more and slow it down. Instead, we played high tempo right into their hands.

  12. By Adam Smith b1723 fka DTL on Dec 19, 2016 | Reply

    Most important return is C. Palmer. As much criticism as he’s taken on having a “bad year”, he’s played well enough to get us to playoffs. He put up 7 TDs in 22 minutes. Only Warner did that in AZ era. If we had used more of the quick passing game from last 2 games, 4-5 games earlier, we might be still in hunt…plenty of longer shots come in latest passing game iteration, slow adjustments by BA to a collapsing OL …

    We have had only 2 QBs during 30 years in desert that could play a lick (and 6 games or so of Lomax). Don;’ kick one of few winners to the curb too soon.

  13. By Adam Smith b1723 fka DTL on Dec 19, 2016 | Reply

    Kerwin Williams:

    Knock is lack of special teams skills. If he was our punt returner and kick returner, that could be plus, as we have no one who has commanded those spots; he is one of shiftiest guys we got. So, he could play key role on half of those (we know punt he gave up key block, why I say “half”), and be our “gadget guy” on offense. If it goes this way, Ellington might be gone. He has not excelled on special teams.

  14. By Adam Smith b1723 fka DTL on Dec 19, 2016 | Reply

    JTDG – you’ve made keen comments, but Keim, like Palmer, careful what you wish for. Admittedly, he is learning on the job, but he’s Buzz Lightyear compared to predecessors…just look at Rams, 10 years in tank…

    We are just a flip of Special Teams play from playoffs, and just 2-3 leaders on D from taking over division again…we need real leaders, who hit, who lead by play, natural leaders.

    Bad luck: Tyran is (was) that guy, but he’s “unavailable”. Have to wonder if he’ll ever be right for any extended period, so have to look beyond the smallest guy who appears a step slow. And cant “project” guys, gotta have that now, off season is big.

  15. By Adam Smith b1723 fka DTL on Dec 19, 2016 | Reply

    Ottis – I get it, but dont quit on Nke. He might end up being next years DJ Knee Deep. He’s a very smart guy, Q is his heart, that’s what we need to see. They said DJ was immature, he showed some nasty this year, and more to come. Might get the Nke nasty too…

  16. By JTDG on Dec 19, 2016 | Reply

    Overlooked was the good KO returns by Britton Golden.

    Since he is a receiver, you would think he has good hands. I personally would like to see him return some punts.

  17. By Kevin S Mesa on Dec 19, 2016 | Reply

    Watching the Cowboys O-line last night allow Dak Prescott to go 32-36 and Elliott go for 159 makes me think that Jerry finally got it right, and this is a model. Build that O-line. Not really a weak link. Some people are making the case for “Dallas O-line” as MVP, which kinda makes sense… I mean, as good as Prescott has been, he has enough time to make a sandwich on some of those throws. And Elliott, well, he’s averaging 5.0 YPC. Which is obviously very good, but look at his two predecessors. McFadden, last year, averaged 4.6 in 2015, after averaging 3.3, 3.3 and 3.4 the previous 3 years at Oakland. From 2011 to 2014, Murray averaged 4.85 YPC. Then he went to Philly and averaged 3.6.

    Does anyone think David Johnson couldn’t be doing at least as much as Elliott behind that line? Or that Palmer or other QB’s in the middle of the pack couldn’t be sitting on a rating over 100 if they had the kind of time Prescott has to throw to receivers like Dez and Witten?

    And then on the flip side, the best QB to come along in the draft in basically forever, Andrew Luck, continues to lead the Colts to nowhere year after year. Hmm….

  18. By shane on Dec 19, 2016 | Reply

    Disappointing game from the D at home, bettcher is in over his head i don’t care were the D rankes in numbers its far from what the stats say..

    With it being the last home game of the season i defiantly wanted the cards to win.. but idk why people are not seeing the big picture..? this was a win in the long run really . How many times does a roster this good get such a high draft pick?? this team was a 13-3 team last year and it looks like Az will get a top 10 pick this year. Thats good news..

    I mean look at what the cowboys did last year with a bad record with a playoff type roster . They drafted in the top 5 and now look how there doing this year .. this in the long run was as good of a loss this team has had all year, again this is about next year and its one last shot at a Sb with carson & larry . This high draft pick can really change things for the better .

  19. By JTDG on Dec 19, 2016 | Reply

    Adam Smith,

    I am NOT a Graves supporter but,

    Is Keim really better than Graves? they draft about the same.

    Graves gave us a superbowl,
    Keim hasn’t.

  20. By JTDG on Dec 19, 2016 | Reply


    Amen, it would be nice to have a great offensive line. I really believe Palmer would be the top QB behind that line.

    So, tell me the truth. Honestly, do you believe Keim puts together a great Oline in 2017?

  21. By erik on Dec 19, 2016 | Reply

    I hate to pile on here but, I am a bit skeptical of the teams ability to improve the O-line. First of all, I am not sold on DJ Humphries. I admit, I do think he has played better on the left side, but he isn’t exactly shutting people down over there. He’s young, I hope that changes. (Sure seems to be a whole lot of hoping involved with recent draft choices. What did Arians say about potential?)

    So, people want to keep Humphries on the left side and move Veldheer to the RT position. Is there any guarantee he does not struggle because he would be adapting to a new position?

    People seem to assume Iupati will bounce back. Again, a lot of hope. He will be a year older and has never been as solid in the pass game as he has in the run game.

    Another hopeful assumption: Evan Boehm will take over the center position. He can’t even beat out Shipley. I hope (there’s that word again) he can take it from him next year, but really, what evidence is there to make me think he can?

    I would have mentioned the possibility of Watford or Toner at RG, but Watford has seemed to plateau at mediocre and Toner was never even considered at any point this year even with all the injuries. They were bringing in guys off the street over him.

    Now we are HOPING Keim will go out and build the O-Line up through the draft. Like he promised he would when he started his tenure by drafting Jonathan Cooper. Yeah, I won’t hold my breath waiting for this to happen.

    By the way, I love the Cards and would watch every minute of every game even if they went 0-16. Just because you criticize something does not mean you don’t support it. I hope Keim makes me eat my words.

  22. By Scott H on Dec 19, 2016 | Reply

    Man, did anyone watch the Denver / NE game and catch that glimpse of Floyd on the sidelines? He looked lost to me, he really did. But….maybe I’m projecting that based on how he looked here this season.

  23. By Adam Smith b1723 fka DTL on Dec 19, 2016 | Reply

    So, we finally will see harlan miller…wonder if seemone tried to take him off our PS like Dysart?

  24. By Louis Callegari on Dec 19, 2016 | Reply

    I hope Mr. bidwill opens his eyes about keim.

  25. By Redwookie on Dec 19, 2016 | Reply

    I see the largest problems we have are unfortunately the staff…

    Arians is a good teacher, and his scheme is sound but…he is stubborn, doesn’t seem to adjust well, or take his or the opponents strengths/weaknesses into account. He also is not a great play caller. He also doesn’t seem to a very good judge of talent. Either from his players, or his coaches.

    Look at all the systemic issues on special teams. That’s at the very least, partly poor coaching. It’s been below average since day 1..

    Also, speaking of player talent, I actually recall P.F.F., grading Boehm as pretty good in all his preseason work. Shipley has been hit or miss, at his best. Iupati has been a smoldering hulk of himself. Veldheer, ok, and humphries, bottom third.

    Same issue w our talent team. Keim and co. Picks seem to be awfully hit or miss.

    Anyway, idk if we can overcome ego and lack of adaptability. If those guys on the staff can look hard in the mirror, see their own faults, and work on their own weaknesses, then maybe we can bounce back. Unfortunately, I haven’t seen that yet, and I don’t think the Steelers did either, before us..

    Go Cards!

  26. By ser on Dec 19, 2016 | Reply

    I am so sick of these band wagon fans that are so quickly to bash the front office. As a fan base why cant we change the franchise ourselves…..always jumping ship when times get tough. As a fan we only been to the super bowl once AND WE ARE THE OLDEST franchise in the NFL!!! SK has built a machine and we have one bad season? CARD FANS rise up and that doesn’t mean to jump off our boat. Steve keep doing what your doing and signing players to win NOW not later! YOUR THE BEST SINCE OUR 2008 SEASON!

  27. By georgiebird on Dec 19, 2016 | Reply

    Keim feels the Cards underachieved. Who are these guys who underachieved?
    It seems to me, the guys are not that good.
    I know it would be naive to think that SK would ever mention all the underachievers besides Nkemdiche, but if his premise is wrong then the next two seasons will be wasted.

  28. By georgiebird on Dec 19, 2016 | Reply

    “We have only been to the SuperBowl once and we are the Oldest Franchise”
    Well SER, you just captured the mood of Cardinals’ fans in one sentence. Especially, long term Cards’ fans can’t be blamed for becoming cynical when the wheels come off the “machine” for the umpteenth time.

  29. By creditcard on Dec 19, 2016 | Reply

    Talk about going from the penthouse to the _______house.

    O-line is horrible, which will cause sub QB play, which will be recognized by Larry Fitzgerald, which will lead to his retirement announcement by June 2017.

    Most FAs will exit, they will want to play for a winner.

    HB is shell of what he was last year. Small and slow not a good combo in the NFL

    Serious issues with STs, ILB, interior pass rush, secondary, O-line, aging QBs, and WR depth

    Hope to get Niklas and Fau back.

    It’ll take a couple years to correct this ship … but the Cards will do it, learn from their mistakes and comeback stronger.

  30. By JTDG on Dec 19, 2016 | Reply


    Some of us fans aren’t jumping off the boat. We just wish Keim would walk the plank.

    This is the franchise that has the longest streak in any of the major sports to win a championship. Not since 1947 have they won one.

    After spending 25 years buying season tickets, I really don’t think it is too much to ask to have one championship in my life.

    That isn’t happening with the direction they are going.

  31. By D on Dec 20, 2016 | Reply

    Dad is starting to talk for his son again. If Fitz wants to play in MN next year, then make it happen, he’ll still go into HOF as a Cardinal. I would ask for X. Rhodes and S Floyd in return. DJ would be a perfect face of the franchise.

  32. By NYCardinals on Dec 20, 2016 | Reply

    Oh Ser,

    Just sit back, settle in, and enjoy the perennial flailing of the limbs. Just be glad you’re not one of them. It must be exhausting.

  33. By Dr. G. on Dec 20, 2016 | Reply

    Someone posted that this last game looked more like a Pro-Bowl…I can add~ no blitzing rule and gentle Defense… It also reminded me of a 290 point NBA All Star-all offense game. The lingerie league may have been an option perhaps on that day. It’s time to look at all the young guys and move up the draft for a QB.

    I’m already thinking beyond 2016…can’t even really play the spoiler…The despicable Northwest Bubblegummer looks to lock down the 2nd seed. The Cards will lock down some ifs and buts with aged players at key skill positions for 2017.

    2018 will certainly be a nightmare if this offseason doesn’t perform a few miracles…at least we won’t have to see our least favorite suspended guy on the roster any longer as he continues to toke up…be well Cards Fans…gonna be interesting.

  34. By clssylssy on Dec 20, 2016 | Reply

    The last time the Cards had this kind of season, we saw a wholesale housecleaning that was suppose to cure what ailed us and guarantee us a trip to the SB (I still remember Michael Bidwill’s press conference in which he wanted to get some “football guys” and then introduced his new staff …except for the Graves holdover in Keim). First season was improved but still no playoffs, followed by a playoff appearance, a Division Title, then a complete meltdown disaster taking us back to where we started with the housecleaning that was going to cure our ails!
    While fans have been focusing on a series of outstanding FUBARs (kicker, 0-line, secondary, Floyd incident, defense, WR corp) they have been merely symptoms of a much more chronic and severe malady, i.e, bad decision making and poor insight from the people responsible for putting everything together and insuring the team functions like a well running machine. And while not perfect, BA is not to blame for the executive decisions that run the Organization, poor drafts, failure to sign needed difference makes, replacement players etc.
    While I believe Michael Bidwill would like to turn this into a successful franchise, he failed to excise completely the problem that caused Coach Whisenhunt to fail after getting us to the SB and winning a Divisional Championship–management dysfunction and a disconnect between administrative and professional staff. If this team ever expects to get to the level we glimpsed, we need to start rebuilding with
    an experienced and proven NFL GM that knows what it takes to run a SB contender team and it’s staff.
    This is a billion dollar organization that has failed to keep pace and is being run like a mom’n pop store.
    And, it’s not jumping off the bandwagon when investors decide to cut their losses!

  35. By CardsNation on Dec 20, 2016 | Reply

    Please, do not draft an offensive lineman in the first round or second round. Fix this problem through free agent and trade– we need someone who has already proven to be a good one not rookie.

    1 WR/CB/ILB
    2. CB/ILB
    3. WR/G

  36. By Andy Kw on Dec 20, 2016 | Reply

    The team has to bring back Calais Campbell and Tony Jefferson. The defensive line should be somewhat set. It is time for Robert Nkemdiche to start, replacing Frostee Rucker. Corey Peters is not a true nose tackle and is not that good against the run. Get a nose tackle will go a long way towards helping our team.

    I wouldn’t mind if the Cardinals let Chandler Jones leave. He is only good for pass rush and isn’t that good at either pass coverage or run defense. What I hate the most about the Cardinals recent acquisitions was that they focused solely on rushing the passer and forgot about everything else. Chandler Jones, Corey Peters, and even 1st Round Pick Robert Nkemdiche were signed by the Cardinals because they offered more to our lacking pass rush. Now that we have pass rush, the Cardinals are allowing big chunks of yards in the run game every now and then. In pass coverage, Justin Bethel, Tyvon Branch, Marcus Cooper, & Brandon Williams are getting burned and destroyed.

    We need more speed on defense but we also need guys that can offer more than just pass rush or just good run defense. There are a lot of offensive line prospects that are good. If they don’t bench 25 or more, they will struggle on this team guaranteed. They have to have had success with their college teams
    -The nose tackle I have my eyes on in the draft is Jarron Jones of Notre Dame. This is a guy that is good in both the run defense and pass rush. He even has the size at 6’5” 315lbs.
    -The cornerback I would target is Quincy Wilson of Florida in the first. He has speed, is big at 6’1” plays a lot of man to man, and have very similar characteristics of play to Patrick Peterson. If not the first, than Rasul Douglas of WVU in the top of the 3rd.
    -QB Brad Kaaya’s stock has fallen since the beginning of the season and the Cardinals might be able to get him in the 2nd round. He has a strong arm and was not surrounded with the most talented group of guys yet still managed to get things done in Miami.
    -Keith Kelsey of Louisville is a ILB that is good in pass coverage and tackling. These 4 or 5 guys can really make a difference if the Cardinals can draft them.

  37. By Big Ken on Dec 20, 2016 | Reply

    “Underachieved” is a fancy word that candy coats the situation. But I guess he has to say something.

  38. By Mr Know it All on Dec 20, 2016 | Reply

    Snap Hold and Kick should be practiced 100 times. Silent snap count and prep for Seattle to jump over the center on PA and FG attempts.
    Along with fundamentals of blocking and form tackling.

    This game is your playoff game Cards. Beat Seattle and you can hold your chin high. BA hold nothing back put a solid game plan together with more Wildcat and misdirection. Split DJ out more and use 6 OL on some run plays.

    The Cards Defense has to contain Russ keep him in the pocket and stop the run.
    Dline it’s time to dominate the line of scrimmage. Cards must be more physical in the trenches on both sides of the ball.

    Play for pride, play for each other, play to win!!! Beat the Seahags!!!!

    VS the Rams sit QB CarP second half and see what QB ZacD can do?

    Time to get reps for:
    Nkemdiche on Dline and OLB, OPierre at NT
    BWill on Special teams at KR , PR, KO and PT too much speed not being used.
    CToner at G or T and EBoehm at G and GPrice at T.

    Let the young guys play, time to evaluate for 2017

    Go Cards!!!!!

  39. By Kevin S Mesa on Dec 20, 2016 | Reply

    CardsNation —

    Is that because you don’t trust Keim to draft the right guy, or because you think great O-linemen can be found deeper in the draft?

    Look at the Dallas O-line we were just discussing. 3 first-round picks, including a 9th OA and a 16th OA. Plus, the left guard, Collins, was a projected top-10 OA pick who ended up undrafted because of an off-field incident involving a previous girlfriend (in which he wasn’t even a suspect).

    So Dallas has, essentially, four first-rounders on its O-line, including two guys drafted in the top half of the 1st round and another guy who likely would’ve been.

    We tend to think in terms of drafting the QB and WR with the top picks and then filling in the line with late round picks. Dallas has turned this on its head, picking four 1st-round O-linemen and then watching a 4th-round QB shine behind them.

  40. By Kevin S Mesa on Dec 20, 2016 | Reply


    Something I don’t know — you often mention that, when the team is making final decisions on roster spots, this or that guy didn’t make the roster because, even though he may have been otherwise impressive, he doesn’t play special teams.

    So, my question is, is this by choice of the player (e.g., so-and-so doesn’t WANT to play special teams, so he’s limiting his own options), or does every guy who’s hungry for a roster spot throw his hat into the ring for special teams and some just aren’t a good fit, or what?

  41. By Darren Urban on Dec 20, 2016 | Reply

    Kevin S —

    RE: Special teams

    All of the above.

    There have been guys over the years where they actually wanted to play special teams because of future hope at another position, and the guy tried — and he just wasn’t very good at it. (Trying to remember a specific name but none are coming to me right now).

    It’s not a simple thing always. For all the talk about Scooby Wright and special teams help, for instance, Scooby admitted last week he never played special teams in college. So when he got to the Browns, he was trying to learn it for the first time.

  42. By Ser on Dec 20, 2016 | Reply

    @georgiebird who was our previous owner? Oh that’s right …Bidwell Sr. and who was our old GM? That’s right Rod Graves. So if your a true Cards fan you would know they Bidwell Jr. Has built a bubble, built state of the art recovery , ARTIFICIAL QB TRAINING. It’s fans like you that can’t stand to see us win but love to see us lose. It’s been a new franchise moving in the right direction since Bidwell jr hired SK.

  43. By CARDS62 on Dec 20, 2016 | Reply

    JTDG and all others I ask this on an earlier post and only received one reply. Timing issue I hope.

    Considering all factors including age if you only have the funds to sign one of them – Chandler Jones or C Campbell who will you sign?

    JTDG and others calling for Steve Keim head. Who would you get to fill this position for us? I am not saying you guys are wrong and JTDG is usually right, but I am not ready to give up on Steve K. yet. He has done some good things and has really tried to improve our team in areas of need, but 2017 is a huge year for him and will either cement him with Cardinal Fans or most of us will join you in asking for his head. I am not one afraid of change and if you check past posts you will see that I was the first I believe and definitely the loudest calling for Rod Graves to be fired. I just did not like his do nothing approach with our horrible O line, the Matt Lienert situation, Kurt Warner contract extension, not finding a backup QB. Keim has to find us a backup this year to replace Palmer when he retires.
    I just do not want to change GM or HC unless I am sure we are improving our team. I still get so angry when I remember us firing Don Coryell after one 8-8 season after taking us to the playoffs the previous 2 years, and how great he did in San Diego after being fired and how horrible and I do mean horrible we were after he left. I am very angry about this year, but other top teams have also fallen off this year, and we have had numerous factors go against us, so my feeling is we are going to bounce back next year. Will love to see some staff changes this off season and this will tell me a lot about Bidwill and Keim. I love BA, but admit he made several coaching mistakes this year and has a few issues, but I definitely want him back as he is key for us. I just do not know if BA will demand that all of his coaches come back or he will walk. In that case what do Keim and Bidwill do, and what do you guys want Bidwill and Keim to do? (I definitely want Amos Jones special teams coach fired and Freddie Kitchens QB coach last 4 years and previously our TE coach fired, and will not be upset if we make other changes) My answer is I put up with the crap to keep BA for one more year to see if we bounce back.

    Darren thanks to you for another great year and thank you to all posters for taking your time and energy to discuss all things Cardinals and how to make our team better.

    Merry Christmas to all.

  44. By CardsNation on Dec 21, 2016 | Reply

    Maybe the Cardinals should hire Larry as a scout.

  45. By CardsNation on Dec 21, 2016 | Reply

    Re: CARDS62-

    This makes me remember the 49ers fired Jim Harbaugh after a 8-8 record and yet he leads the team to one Superbowl and two Championship Games in just 4 seasons with the 49ers. After his release, many of the starters were either retired or seeking for another team.

    The Cardinals were a team like the Browns and under Keim and BA, we became a GOOD team. It’s essential to keep the coachings staffs all the same to prevent further miscommunication.

  46. By clssylssy on Dec 21, 2016 | Reply

    I can’t tell if you’re joking or what, but, you may be on to something and I like your thinking. I know the Cards hired Adrian Wilson to do something in the front office (can’t remember exactly but I was thinking it was in player personnel or with Keim) and I think that we would have more success with drafting and recruiting talent if we had people doing it that knows first hand, the kind of talent and individual personalities that are going to be a good fit within the organization so that we all can succeed. Denver has Elway as a GM, as well as Gary Kubiak (both Bronco explayers, the Eagles have Doug Pederson (once backed up Favre in GB), and the Cowboys have Jason Garrett who was once their backup QB, and the Steelers who have employed some of their ex-players as various coaching assistants etc. It makes sense to get some of these guys who have education plus experience with a team to make a career in a business they know and love.
    Of course some players want to do something different when they retire and many have already begun forays into other areas while they are still playing. Andre Roberts apparently is interested in finance and investments, but that’s the kind of guy a team could use helping to manage the Cap etc. I could see Tyrann Mathieu or Larry doing something like being in charge of Player Personnel where they would have one foot in the marketing side and one foot dealing with player benefits, identifying and recruiting talent (most of these guys stay in close contact with the college scene) and would be naturals with their contacts.
    On the other hand, for some, enough is enough and they are ready to move on to an entirely different chapter.

  47. By JTDG on Dec 21, 2016 | Reply

    CARDS62; – questions answered

    Jones vs Campbell

    Let me say first, I am not in the locker room, so it is tough to know if Chandler Jones is a positive or negative force in the locker room. That would be huge for me.

    But, if we are just looking at it on the football field, I am signing Jones. CC is 30. Jones is 26. These next 4 years will be Jones’ best years and I believe CC’s best years may be behind him.

    Now don’t get me wrong, I would have loved the cards to resign CC also. I think he is still our best D lineman by far (Golden and Jones are OLBs) but he will not get better at 31, 32, 33. That is just the ugly truth.

    Bruce Arians

    I think Arians is a solid coach and I would not replace him. My thoughts have always been, with 2 trips to the hospital , his history at Temple, and his age, his family may want him to walk away.

    Bruce has great play design and is still a good play caller. I am loving the fact that it seems he has adjusted to his team this year, running more with DJ and hitting his TEs.

    I think Floyd and Brown really hurt him, and I think the OLine hurt him. Neither were very good, and it is tough to push the ball down field when the receivers can get open and the line can’t protect. Given a better set of circumstances, BA will be fine.

    Thus, why I am all for a first round receiver like Mike Williams or JuJu Smith. Free agents like Kevin Zeitler (who is my number one FA), and trading with the Jets for Nick Mangold (a team over the cap in 2017 and may be willng to part with the 32 year old center)

    Who replaces Keim?

    That is a good question. One I can’t answer. I do not know up and coming personnel people for different teams. Obviously, it would need to be someone who is on the same page as Bruce. Someone who understands the type of defense needed in AZ.

    And someone who understands you must hit with your early picks and not hope their potential would come along.

    A good example was Nkemdichi.
    Remember his knock was he takes plays off, was immature and had a crazy incident in college. But his potential was so great, they ignored the warning signs. Meanwhile, Vernon Butler, Chris Jones, Jarran Reed, Jihad Ward were guys in the same position chosen a few picks after Nkemdichi and are all starting for their teams. All but Butler (Carolina) are starting on playoff teams.

    I said that about Cooper. There were 6 guys who are playing the interior on Olines chosen in round 1 of 2013. Only Cooper was not a starter.

    In round 2, he took Minter over fellow LBs Kiko Alonzo and Jamie Collins. I’m not in a front office and could easily see Collins was a stud.

    Just cant continue to make these mistakes.

  48. By JTDG on Dec 21, 2016 | Reply


    This is nothing like they niners situation.

    Keim and BA get along. Harbaugh and his GM, Trent Baalke did not.

    The fans did not want to see Harbaugh leave. They loved him. But when push came to shove, The GM stayed and the coach left.
    Things got so bad, several niners decided to retire.

    Baalke has been terrible for the niners the last few years, really missing with his picks (thus, the niners decline.)

    To compare the two, BA would have to make a power play to decide on players and Keim fights back till it gets so bad, Keim fires BA.

    I think both guys have too much class and respect to do that.

  49. By joe 67 on Dec 21, 2016 | Reply

    For all you “coaches” out there, talking about Dallas, and that’s fine, but two weeks to go in this season and Dallas still hasn’t won a playoff game in TWENTY YEARS!!!

  50. By JTDG on Dec 21, 2016 | Reply

    Joe 67,

    I hate the cowboys as much as the next man, but they won vs the Lions in 2014.

  51. By clssylssy on Dec 21, 2016 | Reply

    And now ,after all that and losing Harbaugh, looks like Baalke may get the hook.

  52. By TucsonTim on Dec 21, 2016 | Reply

    As fans we have a natural bias. When the management succumbs to bias then the same mistakes are made. Think first round draft choices for example. Keon says his team underachieved I worry the necessary changes won’t be made

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