QB meetings ≠ drafting that QB

Posted by Darren Urban on March 5, 2017 – 10:21 am

The quarterbacks are coming through Indy, as the top ones stood at their respective podiums for media interviews, they were asked — as always — about some of the teams they had met or would meet with. UNC’s Mitchell Trubisky and Clemson’s DeShaun Watson were specifically asked about meeting with the Cardinals, and both acknowledged it had or would happen. My guess is that had Pat Mahomes or DeShone Kizer or Davis Webb been asked (and Webb was asked about teams before declining to be specific) they too would have a Cards’ visit somewhere in there.

Cardinals coach Bruce Arians had said he likes “five or six arms” at quarterback. But that’s on first pass. And it certainly doesn’t mean the Cardinals are ready to jump on five or six quarterbacks in the draft.

“You look at every aspect of the quarterback,” Arians said. “Mental aspect. The heart and head, they’re the hardest things to evaluate. I can see his arm strength, I can see his feet, I can see him jump, but the two things he plays with, his brain and his heart, they’re very hard to evaluate.”

Like every position, quarterback evaluation is a projection. By the time the Cardinals are done, they may find that only one or two of those five or six make sense as an early pick, either in the first or second round. And that one or two may be long gone by pick No. 13. That’s what this due diligence is all about. The Cardinals — who we all know want to find a young quarterback sooner or later — are of course going to talk to all these guys. Whether they draft one (or have a chance to draft one) is TBD.

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12 Responses to “QB meetings ≠ drafting that QB”

  1. By mitchaz on Mar 5, 2017 | Reply

    Upon further review, in looking at how well Deshaun Watson played versus two superb defenses in Ohio St. and Alabama, and in light of how sharp he was at the Combine, I think he is a bona fide 1st round pick. I liken him quite a bit to Dak Prescott, whom one could argue, in retrospect, is a first round pick. Not elite, per se. But gritty, poised and highly competitive. Does what it takes to win.

    I would have a tough time choosing between Watson and Patrick Mahomes. Mahomes has a stronger arm and is a more adept escape artist and improvisor. However, at this point, Mahomes has the larger learning curve in adapting his game to the NFL. If I wanted a QB to play early — I’d take Watson. If, as is the with Cardinals’ scenario, I could feel comfortable grooming a QB for a year, I’d take Mahomes.

    Of the other top rated QBs — I see Trubisky as a cross between Watson and Mahomes. He has a semblance of Watson’s poise and Mahomes’ improv skills — but, like Mahomes, he will need time and added patience. Deshone Kizer has a good arm, not elite, and solid pocket presence, but he’s a little too deliberate. In that way he reminds me some of Colin Kaepernick, although Kaep’s RPMs are elite and his running ability is off the charts.

    Three developmental QBs I like are Nate Peterman, C.J. Beathard and Joshua Dobbs, who remind me some of Kirk Cousins, Andy Dalton and Tyrod Taylor respectively. Peterman has excellent accuracy in the short to intermediate passing game, a la Cousins. Beathard has a big arm and strong pocket stature, but, like Andy Dalton coming in to the NFL, needs significant footwork improvement. And Dobbs is a dual threat QB, like Taylor, who can beat pressure with his arm and his feet.

    Davis Webb has a big arm, but in watching him in Pac 10 games, he throws far too often off his back foot, when at times with a quick shuffle of his feet he could buy the time and space to step into his throws. With his tendency to drift backward and throw off his front foot, he reminds me of Kevin Kolb.

    Jerod Evans (Virginia Tech) should have stayed another year in college, particularly coming from the JUCO ranks and having only one year at VT, albeit a good one. He has a lot of upside — size, arm and feet. Chad Kelly is enticing from a talent standpoint, but because of the off-field indiscretions, he’s a risky pick on Day 2. Day 3, not so much.

    My Top 5 Updated rankings (grades—but not a prediction of when they will be taken):

    1. Deshaun Watson — early Round 1
    2. Patrick Mahomes — mid to late Round 1
    3. Mitchell Trubisky — early to mid Round 2
    4. Deshone Kizer—mid to late Round 2
    5. Nate Peterson—early to mid Round 3
    6. Davis Webb—mid to late Round 3

  2. By steve on Mar 5, 2017 | Reply

    Darren: Did you have a chance to watch the QB’s throw, if so, which of them impressed you so far?

  3. By Darren Urban on Mar 5, 2017 | Reply

    Steve —

    RE: QBs

    Watched a little bit. They weren’t awful, which they shouldn’t be throwing on air. Other than that, I don’t know what you’d really get out of it.

  4. By Carlo Milano on Mar 5, 2017 | Reply

    Did u have opportunity to meet some prospects
    There is one that impressed u ?

  5. By Darren Urban on Mar 5, 2017 | Reply

    Carlo —

    RE: Prospects

    I thought a few handled themselves fine in front of media, but that’s to be expected — their agents train them for that.

  6. By Jacob Hewitt on Mar 5, 2017 | Reply

    What QB would be the best fit for the cardinals

  7. By Darren Urban on Mar 5, 2017 | Reply

    Jacob —

    RE: Best fit

    That I couldn’t tell you right now.

  8. By shane on Mar 5, 2017 | Reply

    My gut feeling is the cards will draft Pat Mahomes i think they will trade up in the second to get him .. I think bruce arians really likes him because of his arm & he plays like a smaller Big Ben . What i would want is for the cardinals to not play games and just take Watson at 13. if hes still there he’s shown to much promise & poise at Clemson to not take him.

    My best case dream senerio would be to get Mike Williams at 13 and for somehow Watson to fall to like 26 were the cards can trade back up into the first round to take him .. probably wont happen tho

  9. By D on Mar 5, 2017 | Reply

    Tuesday is almost here for free agency news. Yes they cannot sign until Thursday but we’ll hear deals on Tuesday. Guessing agents and front offices have been discussing deals all weekend.

    I would be happy with the Cards signing just the following:

    1 Resign Gresham
    2 Resign Swearinger
    3 Resign S. Moore
    4. Sign S. Wisniewski. Have he and Boehm compete for G/ C.
    5. Sign J. Hunter WR. I think he would improve greatly working with Fitz and Palmer. Big fast replacement for Floyd.
    6. N. Folk K

    I wouldn’t mind AZ trying to move down a few draft spots if possible to gain more picks and taking H. Reddick at ILB, he is fast and has decent size would pair up nicely with Bucannon.

  10. By georgiebird on Mar 5, 2017 | Reply

    2013- Jonathan Cooper
    2014- Deon Bucannon
    2015- DJ Humphries
    2016 Robert Nkemdiche
    I’m ready for SK to hit a home run- make that a Grand Slam.
    If Carson and Larry are going to have any chance to win this year, then this pick has to be a defensive player-CB, LB or DL.
    BA is the QB guru of the NFL He should be able to spot the league a round and still come up with a QB in round 2.

  11. By Big Ken on Mar 6, 2017 | Reply

    Smoke and mirrors.

  12. By Big Ken on Mar 7, 2017 | Reply

    Looks like Mike Glennon is going to sign with the Bears. He’s being compared to Brock Oswieller (yikes).

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