After practice: Lethargic offense and a glove

Posted by Darren Urban on August 14, 2017 – 6:31 pm

Well, it’s a different kind of “After practice” post here because, for the first time in camp, we had Bruce Arians commenting on an afternoon practice as soon as it was over. Usually Arians talks in the morning, or at the very least right before practice. But because of Roger Goodell’s appearance today, Arians was moved back. What ended up happening? Arians talked about how the Cardinals were “lethargic offensively.” He didn’t have great things to say about the wide receivers in particular, warning of potentially bringing in other pass catchers. But he wasn’t happy with other parts, some of the blocking and dropped passes by tight ends. He did say Carson Palmer — all the quarterbacks, actually — did well. They didn’t get any help.

One particular sequence, as the Cardinals practiced their coming-off-the-goal line on offense. Second unit was in, with Drew Stanton behind center. The ugly series went:
–No one really open, and when Stanton went to safety valve it to running back Kerwynn Williams, Williams wasn’t looking, apparently bothered by an ankle that he had looked at earlier in practice;
— Center Tony Bergstrom forgetting the snap count and snapping early, causing a fumble that Stanton needed to fall on;
— A false start by right tackle Ulrick John;
— A dropped pass by tight end Ifeanyi Momah.

That was kind of the vibe of the day.

— There were a couple of offensive highlights. During that same scenario with the first-unit offense, running back David Johnson busted up the middle and then veered left on a third-down draw play and the receivers all to one side, galloping to a 70-yard run or so. It was pretty. It also set up a nice 2-yard TD pass later from Palmer to Jaron Brown, who posted up cornerback Justin Bethel in the end zone.

— Palmer was wearing a glove on his left hand. Arians said Palmer would have to say why, and I didn’t get a chance to ask. The last time Palmer had a glove on his hand, it was after getting a cut prior to the season finale in Los Angeles last year.

— At one point, offensive line coach Harold Goodwin had a conversation with rookie guard Dorian Johnson, who has taken some lumps in camp.

— Blaine Gabbert had a beautiful 45-yard-or-so deep ball to wide receiver Chris Hubert.

— Red-hot linebacker Josh Bynes had another practice interception.

— So did Tyrann Mathieu, who cut right in front of Larry Fitzgerald.

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16 Responses to “After practice: Lethargic offense and a glove”

  1. By Jon on Aug 14, 2017 | Reply

    Man, this is not sounding too good, I think our problem is that we really don’t have a #2 wide receiver. Lots of #3’s, no #2’s.

    Hopefully Jaron Brown can step up and grab that role. We need him.

  2. By Kevin Powell on Aug 14, 2017 | Reply

    We need another strong wide receiver in the group just depending on Fitz at 33 years of age is a failing plan. Get rid of Stanton , Keep Gabbert and spend the money on a wideout. We need a winning season folks

  3. By D on Aug 15, 2017 | Reply

    Possible players that could be traded per the rumor mill on the Net for CB and WR. (not saying there is any credibility to this)

    Delvin Breaux, Saints
    •Kyle Fuller, Bears
    •Joe Haden, Browns
    •Trumaine Johnson, Rams (very doubtful with that high of a salary)
    •Kenny Vaccaro, Saints

    Phillip Dorsett, Colts
    •Cody Latimer, Broncos

    Free agent names for WR:
    Vincent Jackson
    Eddie Royal

    Not what you would call an inspiring list of WR’s.

  4. By JTDG on Aug 15, 2017 | Reply

    Here is what is sad;

    Go back to before the draft. Most everyone on this board was asking for the cards to draft this CB or that one and this receiver or that one.

    I was a fan of Marlon Humphries and Sidney Jones at CB and loved Mike Williams and JuJu Shuester at WR.

    I think several, including myself, wanted to trade down. A Jones and JuJu draft would be perfect. Some , including myself, thought you could trade down for another two and get Oline help with the CB and Receiver.

    But at the end of the draft, we got no CBs and a Receiver picked way too high, imo.

    This is why I have had problems with Keim.
    Yes Reddick could be pretty good and so could Budda, but think if we took Humphries in round 1 and JuJu in round 2, are we a better team?

    I think there is no doubt we are a better team. Why is that so hard to see for GMs?

    Holes at CB2, Holes at WR. Please, go back in the archives and see, fan after fan wanting the first two rounds to be filling these needs.

    Now we are into our 3rd week of preseason and the same issues at receiver are arising and the CB2 spot is a huge question mark.

    Maybe some of the fans on this board have a better idea on how to win.

  5. By Darren Urban on Aug 15, 2017 | Reply

    JTDG —

    RE: Draft

    Except if the Cardinals had Reddick and Baker rated as high as they did, they weren’t going to pass on them.

  6. By Scott H on Aug 15, 2017 | Reply

    Man, the football looks like a toy in Palmer’s hands……

  7. By Scott H on Aug 15, 2017 | Reply

    Kevin Powell –

    RE: get rid of Stanton, keep Gabbert, we need a winning season folks

    OK…..and are you expecting that either Stanton or Gabbert or anyone else not named Carson Palmer is going to bring us a winning season? I’m not. So, from that perspective…..why does it matter?

    But as you say that we need to cut Stanton and keep Gabbert…..because we need a winning season…..does it occur to you that Stanton actually HAS a winning record as a starting QB for this team? As opposed to Gabbert, who thus far, has a losing record for his career? I mean, I know facts can really be in-convenient sometimes, but…..the facts here really don’t support what you’re saying as making sense.

  8. By Scott H on Aug 15, 2017 | Reply

    Not related, but it was interesting to see that there have already been some sideline protests during the first week of pre-season. Michael Bennett did it….Marshawn Lynch did it……

    But, wait…..I don’t understand…..shouldn’t they have been released???

    No. They haven’t been released, and they aren’t going to be released. Because THEY are recognized as good players. Just as other players that weren’t named Colin Kaepernick staged protests last year and weren’t released, either.

    I’m not saying it has NOTHING to do with player’s protesting and any negative attention it may draw. But at the end of the day, it IS about football. It IS about talent. It IS about how players are looked at in terms of how well they can actually PLAY.

    Shoot, if Michael Bennett were released, do you think he would last more than 10 minutes being un-employed???? He’d have a job within the hour.

  9. By Ottis Anderson Fan on Aug 15, 2017 | Reply

    Perhaps more than anything, this offense needs to figure out how to play a full game and not just show up in the second half. Slow starts by the offense last season just killed their season in addition to the sloppy special teams play.

  10. By D on Aug 15, 2017 | Reply

    Just think, if no players step up this year as a solid WR and or CB2, next year MR. Keim will have the pressure to fill /find a:

    Franchise QB
    #1 WR
    CB 2

    I think Jaron Brown will be a solid #2 WR in this league. But when Larry retires, they will need a #1 WR.

    I know you will summarize BA’s press conference Darren, but I sure wish a microphone would be passed around to the media so we can hear the mumbling questions that are asked.

  11. By mitchaz on Aug 15, 2017 | Reply


    We are less than 25 days into training camp and you are already criticizing Keim’s draft?

    Plus, you are doing it knowing what players were available when they were drafted.

    I agree with Darren—the Cardinals had Haason Reddick and Budda Baker ranked near the very top of their draft board. They wanted to draft Carlos Henderson in the 3rd round and just missed out, but their plan B was to go with Chad Williams. This is what they scouted and planned for.

    Give them time and patience, my friend!

  12. By Scott H on Aug 15, 2017 | Reply

    D –

    I really do think Jaron Brown is a very good WR that we just haven’t been able to see yet. Granted it is also a concern that part of the reason for that has been injuries, but….hey, maybe this will be the year. With Floyd gone, the opportunity is there.

    And you are right – there appears to be nothing in the cupboard that remotely resembles a player that can step into the role of a true #1 WR. I guess maybe that was going to be Michael Floyd. And in some fairness to the organization, up until last season, Floyd was looking like he was really on the verge of being a stud WR.

    I can’t fault the organization for his implosion – on AND off the field.

    Darren – speaking of which, have you noticed how Floyd has looked up in Minny so far this off-season?

  13. By Darren Urban on Aug 15, 2017 | Reply

    Scott H —

    RE: Floyd

    I have a hard enough time keeping up with this team. I haven’t heard anything about Floyd, to be honest.

  14. By JTDG on Aug 16, 2017 | Reply

    Darren and Mitch,

    Fine. They had Reddick and Baker higher. That is why you address your needs in Free Agency.

    So which CBs and Receivers were picked up in FA to solve these issues (Oline for that matter too) .

    So, if you don’t get FAs and you don’t draft them, then how do you solve an issue? Anyone?

    The answer, they hope a 6th year guy can finally step up. They hope John Brown can get healthy, The hope Jaron Brown will make the leap in his 5th year.

    What do you get? Problems at receiver and CB. Now maybe the Browns figure this out and maybe T Williams is the answer at CB2 but I would rather have solved these issues with solid picks to address this year and the next years to come.

    So far, I can’t see Reddick starting if Buc is healthy. It appears that Baker is playing the Badger role. There is a very good chance neither plays a big role in 2017.

    So, I ask again, is the team better today with a draft of say Humphries and JuJu?

  15. By Darren Urban on Aug 16, 2017 | Reply

    JTDG —

    RE: Better

    Well, JuJu has a concussion. So he’s sidelined just like Smoke. And Bucannon is out — and he may not be back to start the season — so with no Reddick, who is out there with Dansby?

    And no, maybe he doesn’t get a concussion if he’s here. But maybe he does. You don’t know.

    You fill holes, there are other holes. Which is what Keim talks about and why he drafts the way he does.

  16. By JTDG on Aug 16, 2017 | Reply


    So, Sio Moore showed he could fill in for Buc and didn’t cost much at all. We aren’t talking about 5 games or 8 games or the year, he would need to fill in maybe for a game or two. Then you have Dansby and Buc.

    Yes JuJu had a concussion on an end around. But he also is running with the 1’s in Pittsburgh. He has showed the coaches he can play.

    Maybe smoke is better from sickle cell, maybe his injury gets better soon. Don’t know but I watched a guy who had no explosion last year. Hoping he can come back. Would be nice to have someone to fall back on.

    I will admit Baker looks like a player, and yes, it is nice to have a player to fall back on, so I get it. But a trade up at the end of round 2 for JuJu could have addressed both areas. Do we really need those late picks?

    As for the first round, would I take a Humphries and Moore over a Bethel and Reddick? I think that is an easy one.

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