Keim: Cards want joint practices next year

Posted by Darren Urban on August 21, 2017 – 8:16 am

There were some “moving parts” that prevented anything this training camp, but Cardinals General Manager Steve Keim said during his appearance on the “Doug and Wolf” show on Arizona Sports 98.7 that “I don’t think there is any question” the Cardinals want to have at least one joint practice matchup with another team in 2018. The Cards, of course, worked out against the Chargers in San Diego in 2016, and went to St. Joseph, Missouri to have joint work with the Chiefs in 2012.

Keim said he, Bruce Arians and Michael Bidwill will talk and try to “hammer something out” for next season. The chance to sidestep camp boredom is a big factor. The Cardinals begin their fourth and final week of training camp at University of Phoenix Stadium this afternoon.

— Keim said he was not happy with the intensity of the Cardinals against the Bears Saturday. “We played the game like it was a preseason game,” he said. Not enough attention to detail was a major culprit. Defensively, way too many sloppy attempts at tackling bothered him. Even Tyrann Mathieu, who made the big interception, wasn’t immune, missing some tackles he normally makes. “That can’t happen,” Keim said, calling the amount of “leaky yards” the Cards surrendered “way too high.”

— Keim was asked specifically if Blaine Gabbert could be battling for the No. 2 QB job against Drew Stanton. “I don’t know if I look at it that way,” Keim said. “For me, it’s a process of getting to know Blaine.” Keim went on to say he is watching how Gabbert is improving in the areas they felt he needed to improve. He called Gabbert a “zero risk-to-reward” signing, which makes all this nothing but a positive if Gabbert shows anything. (But listening to Keim, it does not sound like Gabbert has a chance to unseat Stanton as No. 2, which, frankly, has been the same feeling I’ve had all along.)

— However, in praising Gabbert, Keim did say “you’d be hard-pressed to not say, the way he’s played this preseason, he could potentially be competing for some other teams’ starting positions. That’s just my opinion.”

— Cornerback Brandon Williams is “getting quite a bit better.” Williams arrived a raw rookie last year “frankly in over his head.” Now, he’s going in the right direction.

— Finally, asked if he thought retiring Anquan Boldin was Hall of Fame material, Keim said yes. But he noted he thought Adrian Wilson also deserved Hall consideration, and then noted how both players, along with a handful of others, not only performed so well on the field but were also keys in helping the Cardinals change the culture and direction of the franchise.

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28 Responses to “Keim: Cards want joint practices next year”

  1. By TucsonTim on Aug 21, 2017 | Reply

    Good to hear Keim call out the Cardinals for being LAZY and playing Chicago with no intensity or sense of urgency.

    So far, more of the same we saw most all of last season.

    “I’m bored” Are these guys 6 year olds or professional athletes. Palmer has said it before, BA’s offense is complex and it takes more than a year to learn it. So what are the receivers doing? Texting? Snap? Clearly, they aren’t practicing. Or if they are practicing, they are practicing poorly and that is another coaching problem.

    Need to buy the O-line some red bull. It was smart to get DJ out of there quickly. But Palmer took a beating. Much more of that and hits like Stanton took and we will get to see Gabbert start.

    “Palmer held on to the ball too long” Classic BA BS. Watched the game again and the o-line was being destroyed.

  2. By D on Aug 21, 2017 | Reply

    I think it will take a few years for Q to get into the HOF, but with K. Warner in his corner, he will get in, he has the numbers. I won’t forget his first game in the NFL.

    Hard to believe but this D needs Dansby back healthy and starting at LB. It was discouraging how little of an impact the DLine had against a good interior OL of the Bears. Pricey, but Sheldon Richardson..?

    Finished BA’s book, Darren you ever get invited to his tailgate party after games?

  3. By Darren Urban on Aug 21, 2017 | Reply

    D —

    RE: Postgame party

    Alas, I do not. Besides, postgame, I’m working long after the party breaks up.

  4. By JTDG on Aug 21, 2017 | Reply

    — Cornerback Brandon Williams is “getting quite a bit better.” Williams arrived a raw rookie last year “frankly in over his head.” Now, he’s going in the right direction.

    OK, so why did you start him? Because there was no one else? Why? Why didn’t you think I am drafting a RB turned CB in the 3rd round who will need a couple years of coaching? Then, bring in a CB to help the team win.

    Oh, I know some will point at the last minute trade for Cooper, but really? That should have been decided much earlier and with a quality CB. I still look at the missed opportunity of grabbing Casey Hayward at 5 mil a year for 3 years. Then, if you draft a guy like Williams, he could sit and learn and play special teams and then step up in year 3 and 4.

    Makes no sense to me and to say Bethel, please. You had him 4 years before and he couldn’t claim the spot and he was burnt in the GB and Carolina games, our last two games in 2015.

    To say, Williams was over his head, but start him the first games of the season, only to trade for a journeyman , and bench him, doesn’t seem the right way to bring a guy along.

    Massie sat behind a vet, Nkemdiche is behind a vet, Dansby was brought in to play a year instead of Reddick, CJ was brought in to play in front of DJ and Humphries sat. But for some reason, you take the rawest guy you have and start him so he gets burned.

    SMH, Makes no logic to me.

  5. By Carlos 7 on Aug 21, 2017 | Reply

    What is the secret for a very inaccurate qb to collect paychecks in nfl?
    I guess if he wasnt signed by cardinals actually was a ritired nfl player
    Is Arians grandson or Amos nephew?

  6. By Adam Smith b1723 fka DTL on Aug 21, 2017 | Reply

    Just realized not only are Cards on road first 2 games, but last 2 preseason… 4 straight road games. So will they be weary, or just well road tested? CP long time ago said he loved how start of season was scheduled…I’ll go with CP’s take.

  7. By steve on Aug 21, 2017 | Reply

    Darren: Has Gabberts play impressed the Cards enough to consider keeping him as the 3rd QB or do you feel it’s still more likely he gets released after preseason?

  8. By Darren Urban on Aug 21, 2017 | Reply

    Steve —

    RE: Gabbert

    I expect the Cardinals to keep 3 QBs.

  9. By 53 card deck on Aug 21, 2017 | Reply


    Are there any players you think will be cut because of getting bored and not practicing at 100%?

  10. By Darren Urban on Aug 21, 2017 | Reply

    53 card —

    RE: Cut

    No. Doesn’t work that way.

  11. By mitchaz on Aug 21, 2017 | Reply


    At the next presser, could you ask BA to clarify what he meant about Carson Palmer getting rid of the ball quicker? Does he mean throw the ball away when he doesn’t see any WR separation within 2-3 seconds? Does he mean force the ball into tight windows? Throw it to the designated spots?

    Watching the tape a second time, i thought Palmer was crisp on most of his throws…especially the out pass to Ross on the TD drive, the TE delay over the middle to Niklas and his 3rd option progression to Gresham for the TD, which Palmer made happen because he didn’t get rid of the ball quicker by forcing it in to Chris Johnson and WR Ross who were both covered.

    Could you ask BA why on two 3rd and longs, he elected to release Chris Johnson from the backfield on the snap, when Palmer needed the added protection? On both occasions the pressure caused Palmer to dump the ball to Chris Johnson way short of the first down.

    Why does BA continue to think that Carson Palmer is a quick twitch QB a la Brady or Rodgers? Palmer is at his very best off play action where he gets an extra second or two to let the WR gain separation, or in 3-5 step drops where he gets a clean pocket. Palmer has shown time and time again that he is not good at playing “hot potato” under pressure.

  12. By Big Ken on Aug 21, 2017 | Reply

    With the long season definitely wise to go with three QB’s. The team is fortunate to have Gabbert. I feel credit needs to go to the coaching staff on his recent development and emergence.

  13. By mitchaz on Aug 21, 2017 | Reply

    Darren, you seemed to cherry pick Keim’s more guarded remarks about Blaine Gabbert.

    Steve Keim went on to say:

    “He has played well. He’s played within the system, he’s made big throws, he’s been able to show people how his athleticism and his feet can get him out of trouble in the pocket, because he really does have good wheels. I think at the combine in Indianapolis when he came out, I think he ran a 4.57. For a big kid like him who can run like that and have that type of arm strength, again, the daily work with the mental stuff, the processing, the decision-making, if that continues to improve, then obviously he’s somebody we’re going to be excited about moving forward.”

    I think it is safe to say that thus far Gabbert has captured the imagination of the coaches and the GM. The talk about #2 QB is moot.

  14. By Darren Urban on Aug 21, 2017 | Reply

    Mitchaz —

    RE: Gabbert remarks

    Not sure what you mean about moot QB talk in regards to Gabbert. No I didn’t report everything he said. My conclusions do not change.

  15. By mitchaz on Aug 21, 2017 | Reply


    What I mean and sense is…BA&SK are playing it somewhat coy with the media about the #2 QB position, mostly out of respect for their 5 year relationship with Drew Stanton. But, Stanton has never generated the kind of interest and buzz from the coaches and/or the GM that Gabbert is getting now. The #2 QB situation is moot because if Palmer is out for any extended period of time, BA&SK are going to be anxious as anything to get Gabbert in there. He’s the one with the possible future in Arizona, not Stanton.

    The argument that Stanton has the edge because “we know what he can do” and because “he knows the system” are wearing thin, especially when Stanton played the way he did last year and the way he did versus the Bears. What difference does it make to know the system if the QB is going to routinely overthrow or throw behind the WRs?

    So let me ask you this — one might infer from SK’s remarks about Gabbert playing at a level that would make him a viable starting QB candidate on other teams that perhaps SK is interested in seeing what he could get via trade for Gabbert. Do you think that is the case? And, if not, why not?

  16. By Darren Urban on Aug 21, 2017 | Reply

    Mitchaz —

    RE: Gabbert

    We’ll see on the trade. For a team that has uncertainty about QB past this season, if they think Gabbert has a chance, I don’t know why they wouldn’t want to keep him themselves.

    Also, Stanton arguments are “wearing thin” on who? Fans?

    You can infer anything you want. I have not heard anything from the decision-makers to make me think Stanton won’t be No. 2.

  17. By TucsonTim on Aug 21, 2017 | Reply

    JTDG –

    Maybe Ross just didn’t want to tell Keim and BA they blew a 3rd round pick. Lots of bias in coaching.

    Have to believe it was pretty tough on his confidence. Glad to see him make progress

  18. By Ric Italia on Aug 21, 2017 | Reply

    I don’t get the love for Stanton. Never has been very accurate with his throws. Also a fairly consistent turnover machine.If Palmer goes down ,Stanton will not take you to the promise land.

  19. By Joe C. on Aug 21, 2017 | Reply

    JTDG-Last year the cards had Bethel, who they thought was capable, whether you agree or not, and they had the guy who broke his foot. So B. Williams was projected to be third string. They also drafted a guy and brought in the CFL player. Hard to say they planned on playing B. Williams. And signed Cooper ASAP.

  20. By andystandsup on Aug 21, 2017 | Reply

    Am I reading too much into Keim’s remarks Darren, when he said Gabbert could be a starter on other teams potentially, that means he could be a trade chip?

  21. By Charley Shurtz on Aug 21, 2017 | Reply

    i know its taboo to you and Keim but if Gabbert could possibly start somewhere then why oh why is stanton staying at the 2 spot, lots of glue on that guy, and he looked pretty bad saturday with Gabbert clearly out playing him

  22. By Darren Urban on Aug 21, 2017 | Reply

    Charley —

    RE: Taboo

    See, this is where you lose me. Stanton being beaten out isn’t taboo to me. I try and explain to you what is happening/what I think is happening with the team. What I think means nothing.

  23. By JTDG on Aug 22, 2017 | Reply

    Joe C,

    They brought in journeyman. No real CB. A old 1st round bust, a CFL guy, and Bethel, who was burnt when he got his chance in 2015.

    How is that preparing for CB2 in 2016 ?

    Cooper was grabbed when it was evident they had no one.

    Sure injuries pushed Williams up, but that bunch couldn’t cover anyway.
    This years bunch isn’t much better. Bethel is not the guy.

  24. By Martin Cook on Aug 22, 2017 | Reply

    I believe that joint practices will do them some good. I am hesitant as I believe teams that joint practice go a little harder than they might against their own teammates. Raising the risk of camp injuries. I love your reporting Darren and agree it only makes sense to hold Gabbert. He has a much better chance to be a Winning starter over STANTON.

    Thanks, Martin

  25. By sbrown on Aug 22, 2017 | Reply

    a comment about the headline…

    I was surprised when the schedule came out with the last two pre-season games and the first two regular season games all on the road.
    I would have thought the Team would have asked for flipping one of the pre-season games from away to home, just so they didn’t travel for four weeks in a row.

    From last Saturday, till the Monday night game, it will be 37 days, that the Cardinals will be on the road, if you thought camp was tough, wait until this month of games has come and gone, a lot could happen…

  26. By Darren Urban on Aug 22, 2017 | Reply

    sbrown —

    RE: Road games

    No games at the stadium, yes, but not 37 days on the road. One night in Atlanta then a game, one night in Denver, then game, two nights in Detroit, game, one night in Indy, game. It’s not like training camp.

  27. By clssylssy on Aug 22, 2017 | Reply

    These last two preseason games will be an excellent opportunity for these guys to get their act together and become road tested before things count. Hopefully, they will realize this is work and not vacation. As far as I’m concerned, I think our team has a tendency to get a little too comfy at home, like they expect the crowd to lift them up and carry them across the goal line. In years past, we have played some of our best games on the road in front of hostile crowds and we were the underdogs.

  28. By Scott H on Aug 24, 2017 | Reply

    Ric –

    RE I don’t get the love for Stanton….

    Well, I’m thinking that is not the extent of what you don’t get.

    RE: He’s never been accurate and is consistent turnover machine

    OK, now let’s take a reality break. The man has a winning record as a starting QB for this team. So, neither his accuracy OR his tendencies to turning the ball over ( according to YOU, of course ) have prevented the team from winning when he has played. So….

    Go ahead and continue to not get the love for Stanton. While you’re not getting it, he’s doing nothing but getting his job – AS A BACK-UP QB – done.

    And don’t bother making the (ridiculous ) claim that it was the defense that won all of those games Stanton started. Because if THAT were the case, the defense would have continued to win them when we stepped down to Ryan Lindley. But that didn’t happen, did it?

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