Keim: Bad day in Detroit, no injury updates

Posted by Darren Urban on September 11, 2017 – 8:20 am

Never fun for the General Manager to do his weekly radio appearance after a bad loss like Sunday’s in Detroit, but there was Steve Keim on the “Doug and Wolf” show Monday morning, reiterating a lot of what we already knew: Carson Palmer played poorly, as did the team. He was actually OK with the defense, putting most of the end-game Lions scores on short fields and stamina after the offense had its bad game.

He had no update on the injuries to running back David Johnson (wrist) or left tackle D.J. Humphries (knee). Both are getting MRIs today. He said Humphries walked out of the stadium Sunday night so “who knows?” He said he couldn’t base anything coming off the information they had last night, and it would be “hard to forecast” if either had any shot at playing Sunday in Indianapolis. Various reports don’t have great news in that regard for either player. Hopefully Bruce Arians will have more when he talks at 12:15 today.

UPDATE: The news on Johnson was not good.

— Keim said the Cards came in with goals this season, four of which being better in the red zone, eliminate turnovers, improve special teams, and execute better by playing smarter. Keim thought the special teams was OK — although he knows Phil Dawson can’t miss a field goal — the Cards failed in those other areas.

“You can’t win like that,” Keim said. “Every time we had a chance to accelerate momentum, we shot ourselves in the foot.”

— Keim said when watching the film, he is “trying to be real” and wanting to be honest not only with himself but when talking to Arians and team president Michael Bidwill. Honestly, he said, a lot of things were disappointing. (Which may be an understatement in itself.)

— Palmer has to play better. “I don’t think it’s any secret Carson was off,” he said. Keim said Palmer usually bounces back after a game like that. Keim thought Palmer looked antsy in the pocket (I’d concur) and, like I mentioned yesterday, Keim brought up those few out routes that should have been completed on the sideline. Those are mechanical issues that can be fixed, Keim added, but need to be completed. Palmer also made some poor decisions.

— The running game wasn’t much better. Backup left tackle John Wetzel “had his struggles.” While the offensive line has to be better, Keim noted that Palmer also held the ball too long at times and reiterated that the passing game/pressure on Palmer, is subject to the entire offense executing. “They all have to work in unison together.”

— Keim liked what Haason Reddick flashed but also talked about the pressure and missed sacks, because Reddick had one. Chandler Jones could’ve had four, Keim said.

— Keim didn’t want CB Justin Bethel getting beat deep on the last touchdown. But he also brought up, on the defensive side, similar discussion about working in unison. Bethel allowed on third-down conversion when Stafford escaped the pocket and moved left. Keim said linebacker Markus Golden was supposed to loop outside on the play and have contain on Stafford’s left. Had he done that, Keim said, Golden would’ve had a sack or at least forced Stafford to throw it early. Instead, Golden stayed inside and Stafford could wait for the receiver to get away from Bethel.

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  1. By D on Sep 11, 2017 | Reply

    Everyone will say, just one game, but without their best Oline player in Humphries, and no DJ, missing for a significant part of the season- the future/season doesn’t look good.
    I couldn’t imagine a worst start of the season, even with Detroit trying to lose the game and getting booed by their own fans.

    Palmer was part of the problems. Let’s don’ t forget DJ wasn’t able to run the ball at all prior to the injury.

    Wetzel isn’t an option at LT against good pass rushers going forward.
    Need to move Veldheer back to LT while DJ is out.
    (I question why an in game adjustment wasn’t made)
    Iupati is injured and I believe a shell of what he used to be.
    Boehm may turn out to be a decent center in the future, but he is overmatched at RG. Will need to try Boone at RG asap.

    May need to bring back CJ or look at outside option at RB because wrist injuries for RB’s tend to last for several weeks.
    Guessing they will only have 2 healthy TE’s for this week’s game. Punk play by that rookie LB. Probably will need to add a TE to roster.
    Honey badger had issues in coverage.

    If they can’t beat a bad Indy team this Sunday, then time to prepare for top 10 draft pick QB.

  2. By creditcard on Sep 11, 2017 | Reply

    I get it, Palmer played poorly, but so did the offensive line. The line play was literally pathetic. Palmer will not make it to the bye week, if the o-line continues to struggle like it did in Detroit. He will have a season ending injury by then.

    Because our O-line play is so pathetic, and that Palmer is immobile; the coaches should be really considering playing Gabbert instead of Palmer because of Gabbert’s ability to scramble.

    Play Gabbert for a few games, and in the meantime and for the umpteenth time try to fix the O-line.

  3. By JTDG on Sep 11, 2017 | Reply

    Excuses for Bethel.

    I didn’t address CB2 in the offseason, so it is Golden’s fault the play happened.

    If only people on this board didn’t predict it, I might believe you.

  4. By Ottis Anderson Fan on Sep 11, 2017 | Reply

    Nothing new here. The offense doesn’t show up until the second half and the defense is gassed the last quarter or so. Been like that a long time now and the only constant has been the leader on offense – Carson Palmer. If this continues through the first half of the season and the Cardinals start to fade, I’d hope we’d try to win some games with Stanton or Gabbert and see what we have to work with in 2019 because Carson isn’t the answer beyond this season. Need new energy and fresh leadership at the QB position.

  5. By jaime on Sep 11, 2017 | Reply

    one of the worst games, just because lions were handing us the win and in their own stadium. this loss falls on the vets, they played the worse. Palmer, Fitz, PP, Dawson, Chandler, Veldeer, BA play calling, so on. It was like a preseason game on every front. get to work!! No more lazy off days, practice makes perfect not relaxing makes perfect.

  6. By Adam Smith b1723 fka DTL on Sep 11, 2017 | Reply

    It was really bad. It’s one game. Either the adversity will bury us, or we’ll get better.

  7. By Adam Smith b1723 fka DTL on Sep 11, 2017 | Reply

    Ok: Wetzel looked like a turn style, Dansby looked really slow, Bethel was passive Q4, Palmer awful. But were Lions DBs that good or did our guys struggle to get open? Lions LBs were fast, good in coverage…fwiw

  8. By Chris G. on Sep 11, 2017 | Reply

    I hope they can fix Palmer’s “mechanical issues”. He shouldn’t have mechanical issues after playing in the league this long. That is an excuse for rookie QB’s. I think he means mechanical issues like you have with an old car. Maybe some bearing grease, duck tape, and bailing wire will work like it did on my old Jeep. It runs really great now, but it’s still an old tired Jeep that I wont drive for any distance over 20 miles. I might need to trade it in on a newer one with some of the new upgrades that have been made over the last bunch of years. Coincidently, my Jeep is a 1980 making it 37 years old. How ironic is that?

  9. By mitchaz on Sep 11, 2017 | Reply

    Keim’s 4 off-Season Goals:

    1. Get better in the red zone?

    Whom did Keim add to aid and abet that cause?

    * His 3 UFA signings were: SS, ILB, K.
    * His first two picks in the draft were: ILB, FS
    * His 3rd round WR was a token roster addition who did not earn it, meanwhile the Lions’ 3rd round WR torched the Cardinals for 2 TDs.

    2. Eliminate turnovers?

    * Palmer did not receive the email. How can Palmer keep making “palmovers”?
    * David Johnson? Didn’t squeeze the corners of the football. Basic RB training.

    3. Improve special teams?

    * Yes, with P Andy Lee.
    * How does STs Captain Phil Dawson doink a chip shot 32 yarder off the goalpost? 6 point swing and loss of momentum heading into half-time.
    * T.J. Logan was a good draft pick, but he’s on the IR.
    * The cover teams were good on kickoffs, not as good on punts, save for the best tackler on the cover teams Elijhaa Penny. But the gunners were nowhere near.

    4. Execute better by playing smarter?

    * Matthew Stafford took command of the game by using hard counts to sense what players were blitzing and then calling audibles and protections…you could see the Cardinals’ defense sense that Stafford knew what was coming and he threw for 4 TDs in the 2nd half, once over the Cardinals’ FS Bethea who is not fast or rangy enough to play centerfield. This is called gaining a competitive advantage. look at how Aaron Rodgers messed with the Seahawks’ defense in the 2nd lay yesterday. Had them jumping all over the place.
    * Meanwhile, Carson Palmer uses no snap counts and hikes the ball on the first hut every time, thus allowing the Lions’ defense to tee off. No protection adjustments, like on the key 3rd and 4 to start the 4th quarter, why not have the slot WR at least chip John Wetzel’s DE? You can’t execute if you can’t take command of the details, can you? These are called putting your own team at a distinctive disadvantage.

  10. By Dynosoar on Sep 11, 2017 | Reply

    Interesting that Coach felt Chandler Jones could have had four sacks. That would’ve been fantastic and a game changer.

    And speaking of four sacks in a single game, when was the last time Calais had 4 sacks in one game for us? Jacksonville had ten sacks, a franchise record. There was more going into Campbell’s four sacks than simply he did great (but yeah, he did great!) As Calais said in an interview, “Sometimes the ball bounces your way.”

    The following is not to dis on Calais Campbell, it’s just to cool the jets on all those who are saying (in the last article on this blog) we should have kept him. Again, Jacksonville scored 10 sacks against a Texan O-Line that was pretty porous AND in a different defensive scheme than we play.

    Calais Campbell in Cardinals Red
    2008, 0 sacks
    2009, 7 sacks
    2010, 6 sacks
    2011, 8 sacks
    2012, 6.5 sacks
    2013, 9 sacks
    2014, 7 sacks
    2015, 5 sacks
    2016, 8 sacks

    2017 with the Jaguars in first game, 4 sacks
    Now, I’d love to have ten sacks in one game, I just don’t know if Calais would’ve had that kind of a game against the Lions with our defensive scheme. I wish him luck and maybe he’ll pull a Dansby and come back to us in a few years.

  11. By Coach K on Sep 11, 2017 | Reply

    Keim: “Palmer looked ansie in the pocket”

    Of course, when your center and both guards butts are being pile driven back into your pocket, I guess ansie is to be expected.

    Every defensive in the league knows if you move Palmer off his spot, he is not effective.

    Expect to see more bull rush the rest of this year.

  12. By D on Sep 11, 2017 | Reply

    Appears to me Mitchaz that you maybe suggesting both BA and the Def Cord got outcoached. One could make an argument to prove that correct due to the lack of in game adjustments.

  13. By Geo on Sep 11, 2017 | Reply

    Still trying to understand if we knew at half time Humphries wasn’t coming back in why we didn’t move Veldheer back to his natural position at LT, especially after seeing Wetzel so horrible at it we might have given Palmer and offense a better chance! Good coaches go in at the half and make the adjustments needed to win!

  14. By Kevin S Mesa on Sep 11, 2017 | Reply

    OK, that game sucked, but really … people are already talking about Gabbert? The guy who has been let go by multiple AWFUL teams with a serious need for a QB, because he wasn’t their answer — so he’s going to be our answer, after one training camp and preseason to learn the system?

    Look, I don’t know if the Cards can right the ship, but if you’re talking after one game about turning over the reins to our backup QB’s, you’re basically writing off the season. And remember — a lot of you were begging for Palmer (and Larry) to return for just one more year so we had our shot. You’re going to give up because of one bad game?

    Reminds me of all the people talking about how Brady had lost it after getting blown out by the Chiefs, dropping NE to 2-2, in 2014. OK, Palmer’s not Brady, but even so, the Chicken Little routine after one game is silly.

  15. By georgiebird on Sep 11, 2017 | Reply

    Palmer played poorly???? But when CP gets a few more games under his belt and matures a bit as a QB he will be fine. After all, Palmer is learning the league and he’s trying to learn so much so fast. Come mid-season, CP will be a much better QB. Palmer has what it takes to be a top-flite QB in the NFL.
    Palmer is DONE !!!!!!

  16. By georgiebird on Sep 11, 2017 | Reply

    Calais plays in a 4-3 defense in Jacksonville. CC fits much better into a 4-3 then he did in a 3-4 (although he played well in the 3-4)
    The linebacker starved Cardinals made their biggest mistake by going to a 3-4 several years ago.

  17. By george on Sep 11, 2017 | Reply

    veldheer iupati shipley boehm boone
    problem solved

  18. By Fred on Sep 11, 2017 | Reply

    Hope we get CJ2 back should not have cut him in the first place. OL looks worst than ever. palmer cant move well and passes were way off . IT may be time to rebuild the offence.

  19. By creditcard on Sep 11, 2017 | Reply

    Based on the offensive line play, I think the Cards need to play their most mobile QB on the team. At this point, it is Gabbert. The coaches need to figure out on which players can open rushing holes and not get pushed around to the extent of what happened in Detroit.

    Once, the coaches have “solved” the O-line issues, then put Palmer back in as the starting QB. The Lions were capable of pushing the Cards O-line into Palmer on a regular basis. Palmer took multiple hits. Coupled with the loss of David Johnson and the O-line struggles; I personally don’t see Palmer staying healthy to the bye week, let alone the whole season.

    I am not saying Gabbert is better than Palmer, he is only more mobile. At this point, no team will be afraid of the Cards rushing attack, and they know anyone can bull rush the Cards with given success. Other teams will tee-off on Palmer and his predicted throwing spot — coaches need to ADJUST and get a moving pocket — something that Gabbert is accustomed to.

  20. By TucsonTim on Sep 11, 2017 | Reply

    Why did KW stop returning kick-offs?

    Evidently KW is our #2 RB.

    At some point I thought they would take Wetzel out. It was embarrassing. Not that any coaches on BA’s staff are ever held accountable; you really have to question that decision to put Wetzel in at LT. But then he just imploded, and our OC/O-line coach just left him there.

  21. By creditcard on Sep 11, 2017 | Reply

    One last gripe:

    I wonder if the other 31-teams consider the competition for punter is their single most important issue during the preseason.

    Certainly blocking wouldn’t be on any team’s preseason radar.

  22. By Coach K on Sep 11, 2017 | Reply

    Looks like David may be out 6-8 weeks. Time to bring back CJ2K

    On another note, I hope Boone will be ready soon. Our O-line is having
    the same problem as Seattle is having. Older guys that just can’t go full
    steam for 60 minutes.

    Next year, it’s time to go top draft picks for O-line talent and a game breaking big wide receiver.

    I’m still hopeful we can win 10 games this year. And since Seattle is also weak on the O-line, I think we have a shot at the division despite our weaknesses.

  23. By D on Sep 11, 2017 | Reply

    Wow, keeping Wetzel at LT? BA, are you actually believing that crap that he will get better or is it the fact that Indy has below average pass rushers and are not worried about them. Jeez. Even against Indy and Dallas, they will need Niklas and Company helping Wetzel out. Not only does AZ lose their best RB for 8 plus weeks, they also lose their Best WR….

    I guess we’ll see how bad CJ2 wants 10k yards on if he will take the phone call.

    CC sure played like a dominate player yesterday as a DE for Jax.

  24. By TucsonTim on Sep 11, 2017 | Reply

    Well, I just saw the news. I guess KW is #1 RB

  25. By Scott H on Sep 11, 2017 | Reply

    Kevin –

    Bro, you know I have the utmost respect for your opinions, but comparing Brady to Palmer? A bit much. Hey, after their Week one loss to the Chiefs last week, I wasn’t writing the Pats off – I was saying OK, now watch them win their next 10 games. Because that is what the Patriots do, and that is how good Tom Brady is.

    Gotta tell ya, I don’t have quite that same level of conviction and confidence in Palmer. Brady has been insanely consistent throughout his career. And, no, he isn’t immune from the occasional bad game. But Palmer has been so up and down throughout his career….you never really sure of what to expect next week.

    BUT I’m not trying to be too extreme in my response here. No, I’m not already thinking about going to the bull pen after one game. But a few more of these…..and we’re 1-3 after 4 games……that isn’t gonna seem so un-reasonable.

  26. By Scott H on Sep 11, 2017 | Reply

    Here is why I’m saying next week against the Colts ( maybe THE worst team in the league right now ) won’t mean anything for me. Last year, we dropped an ugly loss in the opener, a game we could have won. Then, in Week Two, we came back and blasted a bad Buccs team ( they got better later ) to the tune of…what was it, 40-7? Seemed like too many of us thought we had our groove back after that game ( yes I WAS one of them ) but as the season went on, it became apparent that our groove was nowhere to be found and we continued to stay hopelessly stuck below .500.

    So…..I will take nothing from our game against the Colts. We SHOULD win that game by double digits. If we don’t, we should be ashamed of ourselves. Beating up on bad teams last year ( Jets, 49ers ) meant nothing. So, it shouldn’t mean anything this year, either. I’m looking to the Cowboys game to see some indication of whether this team has a pulse or not.

  27. By Kevin S Mesa on Sep 11, 2017 | Reply

    Sounds like Johnson to IR (pending second opinion). Wow… our biggest weapon… A guy we wanted to touch the ball 25 or so times a game. Think how putrid the Giants’ offense looked without Beckham, who makes maybe 6 catches a game. Think how worried Cowboy fans were when it looked like Elliott would miss six games — and that’s a team where a lot of his success is due to the O-line and a replacement probably WOULD perform reasonably well.

    Kerwynn, Elijah, Andre and CJ (if we ask him to return) ain’t David Johnson. What a huge blow to the team.

  28. By Halagator on Sep 11, 2017 | Reply

    Most of you guys sound like yappy lap dogs. Ready to throw the towel in after one game. Maybe you all can go jump on the Rams train since they won their first game convincingly.

    Let’s see how the Cards rebound next week. A season isn’t won or lost on the first game of the year.

  29. By lonnie peavler on Sep 11, 2017 | Reply

    A life long cardinal fan and can say nothing but come on team thant stunk almost as bad as NFC championship

  30. By JTDG on Sep 11, 2017 | Reply

    Kevin S Mesa;


    I agree it would be silly to bench Palmer and go with Gabbert or Stanton. It makes no sense.

    The only explanation is those fans are ready to throw in the towel and look at 2018.

    I think the cards not only looked bad, they have fundamental issues too big to win the super bowl. But I will say, they could make a run and give themselves a shot at playoffs. Unfortunately, that is where it will end. I think at that point, you could (and I think should) see a move from Palmer in 2018. That window has closed.

    I think some fans, feeling they cant win it all this year, you might as well see if Gabbert is going to be the guy in 2018. I don’t believe that way because you have to play for 2017 until 2017 is gone.

    Personally, I think the cards win 2 of the next 3, making them 2-2 and giving people hope. I think we will hit the 2 games that will impact the season for me. The Bucs and Eagles. If the cards drop to 2-4, they are done. 3-3, they are still alive. 4-2, they have rightened (if that is a word) the ship.

    You then have 3 divisional games. Are the Rams for real? the niners and then the seahawks. You could be looking at a 6-3 team with 7 games left. I think there is hope.

    I think if it is flipped to 3-6, I would then start talking Gabbert. But there is too much football to be played to move away from Palmer at this point. I think it would signal to everyone you are giving up.

    Besides, when the defense shuts down the colts and Palmer throws 5 TDs, all the fans will flip. But reality is waiting the following week.

  31. By JTDG on Sep 11, 2017 | Reply


    I would say only #3 was fully addressed.

    I think that red zone one is telling. He said that was a priority but did nothing in the way of bringing in any players to help that.

    As you mentioned, Kenny Golladay torched us for 2 4th quarter TDs, including one in the red zone. Cooper Kupp might be rookie of the year when all is said and done, had a TD just on the edge of the red zone. We took who with our 3rd round pick?

    You also have stud center Pat Elflin starting tonight for the Vikings. I will be interested in seeing him (after all, a rookie playing oline??? Not in AZ)

    As I mentioned back during the draft, I thought the first two picks were good picks as players, but not good picks in filling huge needs.

  32. By clssylssy on Sep 11, 2017 | Reply

    Really trashy for the coach to ALWAYS throw his players under the bus. And, don’t think that goes unnoticed around the league. A lot of people I know from different teams can’t stand Arians (and a lot of native Arizonians too) b/c he never accepts any responsibility for the team’s performance but is quick to trash talk our own guys. Two time Coach of the Year seems like ages ago and a different person, who I kinda miss; he had some fire and passion!
    I hate that our “five star players” didn’t save the day for Coach but hey, whose idea was it for them not to practice as much? Practice DOES Make Perfect and accountability starts by having Coaches accountable too.
    There was a lot of questionable refereeing yesterday and Unnecessary Roughness/Unsportsmanlike Conduct rhat Arians didn’t even blink at. Is it surprising that we lost players?
    Now I see we signed a RB from the Patriots PS who played for ASU and I’m thinking it would have been nice to get somebody who alreaady knows the playbook and has been in the NFL a few years since we already have a room of greenbroke newbies but may CJ told em to take a flyer…LOL!

  33. By Scott H on Sep 11, 2017 | Reply

    Halagator –

    Let’s see how they rebound against a team that doesn’t even look fit to be considered an NFL team? OK. You take from THAT whatever you want. I can’t even consider that a rebound game. I need to see us play well against a better team than the Colts to feel any sense of re-bounding.

  34. By Big Ken on Sep 11, 2017 | Reply

    Old news by now. Bethel got beat like a drum. Time to get ‘creative’.

  35. By Kevin S Mesa on Sep 12, 2017 | Reply

    Scott H —

    To be clear, I wasn’t trying to compare Palmer to Brady — that was the point of my specifically saying “OK, Palmer’s not Brady.”

    Rather I was just analogizing the two examples of fan bases (and media) overreacting. We’re already seeing the articles about how Palmer’s done. Steve Beuerlein just made some comments suggesting that he thinks Palmer doesn’t have it.

    Which may be true … we may be seeing the downfall of Palmer, just as Denver fans saw Peyton go from a guy who had an absolutely historic season (5477 yards, 55 TD’s, 115.1 rating) in 2013 to a guy who was still a top QB (4,727 yards, 39 TD’s, 101.5 rating) in 2014 to one of the worst QB’s in football (9 TD’s to 17 INT’s, 67.9 rating) the very next year.

    If that’s what we’re in for, that sucks. But there’s no way to know from one game.

    Palmer has had INT problems before. Remember his first season with AZ? 7 games with multiple INT’s. A game against Carolina with 3, but we somehow won 22-6. And the game with Seattle where he had 4 INT’s but then gathered himself up for the game-winning fourth-quarter drive. Luckily for Palmer and the team, in both of those games, the defense held up and prevented all the turnovers from turning into points for the opponent.

    The sky may be falling or it may not be, but we don’t know from one game. I just saw a few people posting things along the lines of “We may as well see what we have in Gabbert…” After week 1. That’s something you say if you’re 3-7 after week 10, not after you’re 0-1 with a loss on the road to a team many people think will be in the playoffs.

  36. By JTDG on Sep 12, 2017 | Reply

    Just to reintegrate ;

    You have to ride Palmer. The cards turn around since 2013 would not have happened without him. He has made a huge difference for this team.

    With that being said, I think he is clearly not the guy he once was. He is not a guy who can carry the team. Unfortunately , with holes on offense, especially losing DJ, you clearly need more out of Palmer.

    I ride Palmer in 2017. See how far he can go. Then in 2018, I release him, saving 14 million . I resign Gabbert as a stop gap and draft a QB in 2018.

    Maybe the colts can be the number one pick. That would be fun. Then you could see the bidding war for Sam Darnald. If there was any chance to trade up and get Sam, I would. Of course, it will probably be the Jets.

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