On a brutal night, Seahawks aftermath

Posted by Darren Urban on November 10, 2017 – 12:16 am

It was hard to disagree with Larry Fitzgerald Thursday night when he said it felt like every time he turned around, trainers were running on to the field. I don’t know if football on a short week had anything to do with some of the injuries – when a large man rolls up on your leg during a play, that’s not day-of-the-week-related – but nonetheless, when you are talking about looking forward, that’s where you start.

A loss is a loss and it took a late touchdown to get a six-point deficit, but mostly, the Cards felt they put themselves in a position where they could have beaten the Seahawks. They didn’t, they are in a bad place in terms of chasing a playoff spot with seven games to go, and part of the reason it’s a bad place is because the injuries are headed to insurmountable.

If D.J. Humphries is done with an ACL injury, it’s a killer. A big reason the Cards’ offensive line had so many problems earlier in the year was because their left tackle was hurt. He had truly taken a step forward, and now his 2017 season sounds like it could be over after just five games. As good as Tyvon Branch has been this season, that is a little different, because Budda Baker is there and he’ll get a chance to have some defensive snaps.

Meanwhile, John Wetzel will go back into the lineup. I don’t expect Jared Veldheer to flip sides, but we’ll see. And the Cardinals will have to make it work.

— Adrian Peterson got his carries. He just couldn’t get any yards. But the Cardinals stuck with it.

— It wasn’t a good game for Peterson with the fumble on the first play and the safety. But the Cardinals’ punt return team can’t put the offense on its own 2 against the Seattle defense, with Kerwynn Williams fielding a ball inside his own 5 and then Justin Bethel getting a second holding call.

— Also, for those complaining about the Peterson run on the safety with the loaded box, I’ll respectfully disagree. If Stanton had thrown on first down and there was a holding call in the end zone or he was sacked, the village folk would’ve come after Arians with the torches and pitchforks. I’m OK with a run. Just has to be executed much better.

— I understand Antoine Bethea might’ve played the Baldwin 54-yard catch differently, especially when it was second-and-a-mile. I get that. But don’t talk to me about Russell Wilson being lucky. When he’s done it dozens – he’s probably up to the hundreds at this point – of times, it’s not luck anymore. The guy is both amazing and frustrating. Knowing he’ll be a roadblock to the Cards for years makes him feel like Jordan with the Bulls and the Cards are those Cavaliers from back in the day.

— Drew Stanton made some bad throws. But I felt like his pass catchers let him down more than he had errant throws. (*Waits for everyone to say how Blaine Gabbert needs to start*)

— Fitz was solid. Another 100-yard game, and it might’ve been the quietest 100-yard game of Fitz’s career.

— The Seahawks had 12 penalties, and they were already leading the league with more than 10 a game. Six of them gave the Cardinals first downs.

— Chandler Jones gets another sack, his 10th. Of course, I’m sure he wishes he had gotten his 11th on that second-and-21.

— Defensive lineman Olsen Pierre had an excellent game. And cornerback Tramon Williams continues to show he has something left.

— OK, that’s enough for tonight. The mini-bye awaits, and the Deshaun Watson-less Texans, in Houston, are next. Time to regroup. Again.


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58 Responses to “On a brutal night, Seahawks aftermath”

  1. By JTDG on Nov 10, 2017 | Reply

    Yes, DJ Humphries was showing promise.

    But if gone for the year, in his 3 years, he has played in 18 of the possible 48 games .

    Think about that. 18 out of 48.

  2. By JTDG on Nov 10, 2017 | Reply

    I agree you can’t blame Stanton. He wasn’t great in any way but how many drops were there?

    It seemed Jaron Brown dropped a lot of passes. JJ Nelson could have had a TD but it went through his hands. Gresham dropped a TD also.

    With no run game and receivers not named Larry, dropping balls, Stanton never had a chance.

    I think the receivers lost this game.

  3. By Dan on Nov 10, 2017 | Reply

    4th down near the 50 yard line with over 50 seconds to go until halftime and we go for it???? Umm………absolutely a stupid call……..I realize Nelson almost came down with the catch but that was asinine……….really? WTF kind of call was that? Punt the ball u moron!!

  4. By Don Short on Nov 10, 2017 | Reply

    Agree 100% about Stanton being let down by his receivers. But just imagine how bad they’ll be if Fitz retires. At least we won’t need a QB, because we’ll have no one for a QB to throw the ball to.

  5. By BChimp0 on Nov 10, 2017 | Reply

    Stanton played well enough to win. Two dropped TDs and prolly 5-7 1st downs dropped. He did his part. Gotta think he might’ve played more like that in London had he gotten a few reps w the starters in the “4-5 weeks” in which he didn’t take one snap. I’m an Arians guy. I assume we’ll trade down when he retires, but MAN he’s stubborn!

  6. By Tim McWeeney on Nov 10, 2017 | Reply

    Your blog overlooks critical factors. A run out of the end zone? Not a terrible idea but I don’t think it’s wise to “tell” the defense where you are going to run. And that is the BA offense. Up the middle, look for the holes, up the middle. The Seahawks knew what we were going to do just as 70k fans in the stadium knew just as every Cardinal fan watching on tv. knew.
    BA’s offense is something right out of Lombardi- except he doesn’t have the execution Vince Lombardi did and even Lombardi would have to update his offense to compensate for better faster defensive players today.

    The other point you miss that, although, receivers dropped catchable passes- Stanton was inexcusably off on scoring plays where receivers had clearly beaten the defense. That is unforgivable.
    Fire BA. Start Gabbert and maybe this team can have a respectable end of season. Right now, it’s an unmitigated disaster

  7. By Jon on Nov 10, 2017 | Reply

    You’re right, Wilson has done it hundreds of times and it isn’t just luck. That particular play, however, was in a huge giant stroke of luck.

    Its a straight up ill advised throw off Wilson’s back foot. Bethea has position on the play, and it should have been an INT. Instead, he inexplicably falls all over himself and basically blows our chance of winning. Pretty sure his vertical on that play was about an eight of an inch

  8. By Akos on Nov 10, 2017 | Reply

    Wilson is very lucky in a way: he never gets seriously hurt during these crazy plays (and in this sense, I wish him continued good luck, obviously). The Seahawks are truly one torn ligament or broken bone away from being the worst offense in the NFL.

  9. By Brett in Colorado on Nov 10, 2017 | Reply

    Dang it!!! So close yet so far away…

  10. By mike on Nov 10, 2017 | Reply

    It’s easy to be frustrated at your defense but I feel our wide receivers let us down this game. Plenty of catchable balls that would have been easy touchdowns we simply didn’t make. Sure Stanton did miss some wide open receivers but the plays that were there including the 4th and 9 bomb to Nelson (I’m thinking they practiced that play a lot this past week), futz had a jump ball and then jaron brown had a deep pass drop.
    All in all a very frustrating loss.

  11. By joe holst on Nov 10, 2017 | Reply

    Dropped passes were annoying, Seattle isn’t going very far tho with all their penalties, another blocked extra point time to replace Amos Jones plz

  12. By drblogubc on Nov 10, 2017 | Reply

    I am normally hyper critical of my Cardinals, almost always pessimistic about this team, But I am very proud of how they played last night. While I have been a Stanton doubter, I was actually impressed with his play. Sure he sailed the ball past some wide open receivers. But he also had some great passes dropped, including a potential game changer by Nelson at the end of the first half. It wasn’t Stanton’s fault that Peterson fumbled on the first play of the game or that Ellington fumbled a perfectly thrown ball that would have kept a drive going.

    The defence spent a lot of time on the field but were tenacious right to the end. There is no shame in holding the Seahawks to 20 points. Special teams essentially gave away the other two.

    The Cards may not win many more games, perhaps none, but they will give some teams a run for their money.

  13. By Marlin on Nov 10, 2017 | Reply

    Agree entirely with your summary. So the question is, do we NOW go to Gabbert and see what he has? Do we start giving Elijah Penny more snaps, Will Holden more time? Do we see what Boehm looks like at center?How about a lot of time for Chad Williams when he’s healthy, or Brandon Williams to finally decide if he can play corner, or Ford? Do we bring Zamort back from IR, the kid is supposed to be very good and could use the snaps. What do you think? Is it time yet?

  14. By Eric G on Nov 10, 2017 | Reply

    First and foremost, screw Thursday Night Football. That was brutal to watch all those players go down from both teams. As long as the NFL makes more money, who cares about the safety and health of the players.

    Second, Drew Stanton proved why he is a career backup. So many grossly errant passes to wide open receivers, though not like the receivers would have caught it seeing as how they dropped so many passes. I swear that if Carson retires, Drew Stanton is our starter, and we don’t have a first round draft QB on the roster, I’m not watching a single game next year. Drew Stanton is, was and always will be a backup QB.

    Third, BA has the most unimaginative offense in the history of the NFL. I saw one play action pass despite the fact that the hawks put 8 in the box. When Adrian was in there, 80% chance it was a run. 100% chance when it was a 2 TE set. The only way the Cardinals scored was because of defensive penalties keeping drives alive, then the garbage time TD. I’m sick of no risk it, no biscuit. BA, thank you for your services, but please retire. I hate this offensive scheme.

    The defense has no discipline. Safeties keep letting receivers get behind them. It’s just pathetic. Defense did much better this week, but not good enough. Bettcher still needs to go. Bethel is nothing but a 100% liability on the field at this point. Kerwynn Williams is a liability too. Only the Cards would employ those two. They don’t belong on the field.

    Phil Dawson, he is worthless. Going for it on fourth down because your kicker is so unreliable that he can’t hit a 55 yard FG shows that you don’t belong in the league. He is nothing but a liability too.

    Anyone still think this team has a shot at the playoffs? If you do, stop drinking the Kool-Aid. 5-11, 6-10 at best.

  15. By Marlin on Nov 10, 2017 | Reply

    If we released Iupati right now, how much Cap space will we free up right away (for this season) that can be used towards pursuing contract extensions for guys like Jaron Brown or Corey Peters?

  16. By Darren Urban on Nov 10, 2017 | Reply

    Marlin —

    RE: Iupati

    First of all you can’t cut him now because he’s hurt, and you’d save nothing this season because by now, his 2017 money is guaranteed.

    Cut him before next year and you’d have $1.7M of dead money. His 2018 cap number is currently slated to be $9.7M otherwise.

  17. By Lee on Nov 10, 2017 | Reply

    Wow Darren, you nipped it in the bud before anyone even got a word in. HA.
    Respectfully I agree to dissagree with some of the comments. First of all I have less of a problem with the running of the ball on the safety. My biggest beef is running the ball against this defense with the RB’s feet placed 7 yds. deep in the endzone. QB sneak, Ellington handoff , or a quick pass would’ve made more sense to me. Not going to be a whole lot of surprizes in this spot. I was saying to my girlfriend that if they hand the ball off to AP is going to piss me off…and it did. As far as the “what if’s”, …..( with regards to the holding in the endzone)??? More if they made a 60-yard bomb and made a touchdown out of it? The bottom line here is get the heck out of the end zone as fast as possible.
    As far as the lucky Russel Wilson thing. I agree his skills aren’t lucky. He is good and I would take him any day on my team. The fact that the Cardinal defender couldn’t hold his footing on a floated up ball that should’ve been at the least knocked down. That was lucky. That’s the luck I see all the time. Teams lose focus when Wilson is scrambling around.
    I really think the game was played relatively well except all the dropped passes . Even though they didn’t get much running out of a p I think it was effective. The continued greediness of Arians at the end of first halves is getting to me. He thinks that he has to finish every first half with points. Sometimes not giving the other team opportunities is a better option.
    Come on please with the field goal or extra point kicking. When is this knighmare going to end?

  18. By Ottis Anderson Fan on Nov 10, 2017 | Reply

    Keim likes to say that if you blow your first round pick on a QB that doesn’t turn out, you set your team back years. So why doesn’t that philosophy apply to any first round draft pick regardless of position (e.g. Cooper, Humphries, Nkemdieche). Haven’t those draft busts set us back years?

    Nkemdieche didn’t register a recordable statistic in the box score again.

    I like having Stanton as our backup, but he does have a lifetime 50% completion rating. Receivers are going to drop balls every game for every QB in the league which doesn’t help a passer who only completes 50% of his passes.

    Wilson was drafted in the 3rd round – five picks ahead of us. We could have moved up to get him and had Seattle lamenting having to deal with us for the next decade. Of course, we had no second round pick because we traded that away for Kevin Kolb. The picks that followed? Jamell Fleming, Bobby Massie, Senio Kelemete, Justin Bethel, Ryan Lindley and Nate Potter. Not surprisingly, that was Rod Graves last draft at GM.

    LT needs to be a point of emphasis in the 2018 draft. Can’t have enough depth at that position in what is the ultimate team game, but also the ultimate game of attrition.

  19. By Lee on Nov 10, 2017 | Reply

    Please excuse some of my misspellings on my comments. To change the subject slightly, Darren, when or is there much of a chance that DJ is expected to return? I would love to see what DJ and AP can do in this offense. Love to see how this offense is with DJ ,Fitz, and John Brown receiving and AP running the ball.

  20. By Darren Urban on Nov 10, 2017 | Reply

    Lee —

    RE: Johnson

    Still has to rehab after getting cast off. Hard to know when or even if at this point.

  21. By creditcard on Nov 10, 2017 | Reply


    1. Larry the Legend
    2. Chandler Jones and Olsen Pierre on defense
    3. Defense showed hustle, showed grit


    1. Catching ball at 3-yard line with a holding penalty, followed by a two tight end set (which is a 100% chance of Petersen running the ball) with all 11 Seattle players in or near the box — which ended in a safety. Horrible play call.
    2. Stanton is proof he is a back-up, several errant throws
    3. Dropped passes
    4. Poor special team play… again
    5. Unimaginative play calling, and goofy play calling. Why throw a deep pass (Stanton is O-fer throwing any pass deep) on 4th down in the 2nd qtr at the 50, when your defense is actually doing at good job?????
    6. Stanton’s ONLY accurate passes are between the hash marks 5-15 yards from the line of scrimmage. FOR THE REST OF THIS YEAR, EACH OPPONENT WILL DEFEND BY DOUBLING UP RECEIVERS BETWEEN THE HASH MARKS AND LET SINGLE COVERAGE ON THE OUTSIDE. It is easy to see the Card’s weaknesses and strategies teams can employ to expose them.
    7. Injuries

    What will happen the rest of the season:

    1. 0% chance that this team is a play-off caliber team or making it into the play-offs. 0% probability.
    2. Cards 2017 record will end up being between 4-12 and 6-10.
    3. Play calling will be predictable. Coaching staff will sound like old rhetoric.

    Therefore, what SHOULD the Cards do:

    1. Balance of this year s/b viewed as a try-out for those players that the Cards are planning to keep or they expect will return (many players will retire or exit this team).
    2. Start looking for an entire new coaching staff
    3. Start stacking draft picks and a BETTER job drafting
    4. Basically, start over — the Cards are in the same camp as the 49ers and Rams were in a couple years ago.

  22. By mitchaz on Nov 10, 2017 | Reply

    Bruce Arians could not have scripted up the first segment of the game any better. For the first time in 5 years, upon winning the coin toss, he elected to defer, which gave the Seahawks the ball first. The Cardinals’ defense came out swarming—Karlos Dansby, not typically known for storming up gaps, blew up a running play and put a crunch on RB Thomas Rawls, and it was game on.

    Seattle was forced to punt, the Cardinals got premier field position near the 50 yard line and on the first play from scrimmage, versus a loaded box, the upright running Adrian Peterson fumbled and Seattle recovered. Unreal. If you are a Cardinals’ fan, you almost have to laugh at this just to stop yourself from screaming or tearing your hair out.

    This was the first of TWO 1 play offensive drives for the Cardinals in a game that one would think was going to be close. The second one play drive proved even more costly, when inexplicably, PR Kerwynn Williams, in a 7-7 game, fielded a punt on the 2 yard line and thanks to one of two holding calls on once a 3 time Pro Bowl STs player, Justin Bethel, the Cardinals began that series on the 1 1/2 yard line…and after a late developing snap and a swarm of neon yellow, Peterson was tackled in the end zone for the first safety of his career.

    Going back to Peterson’s fumble, in my opinion, it’s gaffes like this, coming off what to that point was a perfectly coached game, that throws not only the players a little out of whack, but the coaches as well.

    The rest of the game for the Cardinals was yet another expose on how and why they lose every other week—through self-inflicted errors, untimely mistakes and questionable coaching decisions.

    After the game, Arians lauded his players and said that there “played their asses off.” Yes, the Cardinals played hard. But, again, playing hard is one thing, but, playing smart and with precision is another.

    When the Seahawks loaded the box versus the run, there is really only one choice to make and that is to pass the ball. There is no way a coach with a less athletic and strong offensive line, could look at what the Seahawks have up front, plus with them shifting Kam “the refrigerator (per Fitz)” Chancellor down in the box and conclude that it’s a good thing to pound the ball anyway, unless you have a stout FB and a lower the shoulder, smashmouth RB.

    Put it this way—without a FB and a smashmouth, lower-the-shoulder and make-you-pay RB, even when the Cardinals’ offensive line managed to hold off the Seahawks’ studs on the defensive line—it basically set up a 6 foot wide cone drill between RB Adrian Peterson and LB Bobby Wagner, a matchup (because of styles) that Wagner will win 19 out of 20 times. As upright as Peterson runs and as low and quick as Wagner hits, Peterson has no chance. The only chance Peterson would have it to line Wagner up, lower his shoulder, initiate the contact himself, churn his legs and try to break his will.

    Even after losing D.J. Humphries to a possibly season ending ACL injury, the Cardinals’ pass protection for Drew Stanton was pretty dang good. Plus, BA dialed up a number of pass plays that were wide open…but Stanton, who did play his arse off, no question, is way too erratic. And last night, even when he made completable passes, several of them were dropped, maybe the most costly of which was the one by Andre Ellington who was wide open and all he had to do is catch the ball to convert the third down and the Cardinals are driving for a score before half-time.

    Interesting too what the national perception of Drew Stanton is when Tirico, after a Cardinals’ penalty, said that “Drew Stanton is not the type of QB who can make up for being 1st and 15.”

    On the next play on 4th and 8 from the Seahawks’ 38 yard line, a classic BA “no risk it, no biscuit” call is made to try to hit J.J. Nelson for a home run up the left sideline. Even Tirico and Colllinsworth predicted it. Stanton threw one of his better passes of the night, but the pass went right through Nelson’s hands—which gave Russell Wilson the ball back and he right away hit Paul Richardson on a deep crossing pattern and suddenly a 12-7 game is precariously getting away from the Cardinals. Fortunately, the defense held the Seahawks to a FG and the score was 15-7 at half-time when it could have been and likely should have been 12-10.

    In the second half, the Cardinals cut the deficit to 15-10, thanks to some outstanding catches by Larry Fitzgerald…and the Cardinals’ defense was playing well thanks in good part to a couple good, quick edge plays by Haason Reddick, a sack by Chandler Jones, a sack and a number of athletic plays by DT Olsen Pierre and some strong RCB play by Tramon Williams…but then, things began to unravel when a flushed Wilson flashed his uncanny Fran Tarkenton moves with Barry Sanders’ type body control and with Tyrann Mathieu and Chandler Jones in hot pursuit, winged to ball up the left sideline only to have FS Antoine Bethea, who was having a very good game to that point, totally misjudge the ball, while WR Doug Baldwin jumped in front of him to snag the ball and take all the way down inside the Cardinals’ 10 yard line—which set up Wilson’s second TD pass of the night to a closely guarded TE Jimmy Graham, who out-leveraged Bethea the same way he did with the Cardinals’ (first half of the season defensive MVP) Tyvon Branch, whose knee buckled on the landing and forced him to head for the locker room.

    That made the score 22-10…and what happened next was more than mind boggling. With the clock clearly the main enemy at this point, BA and Drew Stanton elected to shun the two minute drill and in doing so wasted valuable time huddling up between each play. By the time the Cardinals finally managed to score, there were under 30 seconds left on the clock. With the score 22-16, the extra point was blocked—which the Seahawks seem to do every year in Arizona—which was meaningless score-wise, but discouraging none the less, especially in light of Phil Dawson’s previously missed 6 FGs this season, and yet another game of repeated STs gaffes by the Cardinals. Let’s face it, those STs gaffes are not good for the team’s morale.

    So, now it comes down to an on-side kick. Just when it looked as if Dawson had attempted a traditional bouncer on-side kick, Pete Carroll had called timeout in the nick of time and now he knew which side of the field Dawson was going to kick to.

    So, with a timeout and the on-side kick team over on the sidelines, with chance to get every player on the same page, BA is nowhere in sight. His coaching crony STs coordinator Amos Jones has the unit right in front of him, but he doesn’t even call them into an organized huddle, instead he gives directions to Dawson and the couple of players standing next to Dawson while the rest of the players were 6-10 feet away and not huddled up.

    The on-side attempt was a rarely if ever recovered pooch which was kicked too far downfield—which was basically an easy gift wrapping of the win for the Seahawks. The play was never in doubt. To make matters even worse, even if the on-side kick was a hit bouncer which it should have been, the Cardinals were flagged for being off-sides. This is what you get when you can’t even get your unit in a huddle.

    On the bright side, the Cardinals got some encouraging performances from WR Larry Fitzgerald (another great game under the lights—man, how well he has treated us for all these years), LT John Wetzel (who got surprised on a bull rush badly one play by Dion Jordan, but did a very good job on Dwight Freeney), RT Jared Veldheer (save his and Gresham’s off-side flags on 2 of the only 3 -4 hard counts Stanton tried all night), DT Olsen Pierre, DT Frostee Rucker, OLB Haason Reddick, OLB Chandler Jones, S Budda Baker, CB Tramon Williams and P Andy Lee.

    Sad to see all the injuries in this game on both sides. Branch was having his best year as a pro in a contract year (in which he took a paycut), Humphries looked like a stud in this game before he got rolled from behind. Momah, that poor guy suffers yet another season ending injury. But, if you saw and heard Frostee Rucker after the game, he said about Thursday night games that as long as they are on the schedule and every team knows it in advance, “there are no excuses.” He said, “they (Seahawks) had to travel to us and they won in our building”—once again—and that’s the reality. Rucker looked extremely pissed. Which is why he is a winner.

    BA said a couple of weeks ago that the players are “good front-runners” and not good at handling adversity. Well, that can be said in spades about himself and his coaching staff. The coaching in the 4th quarter of this game was regrettably poor. All the wasted seconds off the clock, the STs gaffes and general disorganization, misuse of timeouts, etc. This was not how professional coaches operate and not how they prepare their teams for situational football, especially late in games.

  23. By Walt on Nov 10, 2017 | Reply

    The non creative “blitz” every play is on every opposing teams scouting report. Defense scheme is way too predictable. Fun to watch but not effective in this league.

    No depth on offense. Spread the ball around, IF you can. There is a big problem. No depth! We feel good because Fitz gets another 100 yards. Big deal!

  24. By Canadian Redbird on Nov 10, 2017 | Reply

    Ownership and Management continuously emphasize ACCOUNTABILITY yet over the years, NO WALK to match theTALK. Catching the punt at the 2 yard line and having countless penalties on punt returning situations keep happening but AMOS keeps his job. The problem is Arian’s being STUBBORN and his loyalty to players and coaches alike. We’ve been down this road with 3 years of Butler being our punter. The more the fan base calls for AMOS’S firing, the more Arians stands pat.

    I didn’t like the play calling last night either. Arians bringing Larry and other receivers in close to the line, just meant more Seattle players in the box and thus ” No room to run for Adrian “. Bruce should take a page of Pete Carroll’s playbook and learn to delegate. If he’s here another year, try hiring an offensive coordinator, that ‘s not over 70 and trust that he will steer the ship.

    My preference is to see what Gabbert can do; however I have resigned myself that barring an injury, and Bruce’s ongoing STUBBORNNESS ,Stanton will be running the offence. Last night the announcers were referencing many situations where our receivers were wide open and the ball thrown wasn’t even close to being in the right zip code. These were in critical 3rd down situations. Even with the loss, you have to tip the cap to Seattle’s QB, Wilson. He is one fun dude to watch play the game.

    GO CARDS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  25. By NJAzCardsFan on Nov 10, 2017 | Reply

    Darren- What was the outcome for all o the Cards injured players?
    Who is done for the year?

    The Cards receivers should learn to use their hands like Fitz does… No excuses for all of the dropped balls…

  26. By Darren Urban on Nov 10, 2017 | Reply

    NJAz —

    RE: Injuries

    This is the latest:

    Arians speaks later today.

  27. By Ric Italia on Nov 10, 2017 | Reply

    Can’t blame Stanton for the drops but he did miss on 4 or 5 passes to open receivers. He is has a 50% completion percentage in his career. That doesn’t cut it in todays NFL. The Cards are not going anywhere this year. Play Gabbert to see what he can do. Cards need to think about the probable 3 yr rebuild. See what you have in the draft choices and younger players. The future starts now.

  28. By Scott H on Nov 10, 2017 | Reply

    Look, anyone who was still harboring hope that this team was going to make the playoffs this season was living in hopeless denial. IF you fell into that category, you have no one but yourself to blame.

    Now, welcome to reality. Hopefully, you’ve got it now. Maybe now you can join the rest of us who have seen the realities of what this has become and what is needed going forward – massive changes and a total re-build.

    It was real simple – going into last night, we played 8 games. We played 4 good teams and lost to all of them. Two of them by a combined 67-7. We played 4 really bad teams ( two of them against the same really bad team ) and managed some really un-impressive wins against them.

    How anyone could have been looking at that and thinking this could be a playoff team……again, that is denial. And I get the importance of denial as a coping intervention when reality is pretty depressing.

    Again, I can only hope you are snapping out of it now and are willing to see it for what it is ( and, really, has been since the end of 2015 ).

    The familiar pattern of beating bad teams to get to .500 just to lose to the next real team we play to go back under .500 again is pretty well established by now. At a certain, point, you are what your record says you are.

  29. By Kevin S Mesa on Nov 10, 2017 | Reply

    So often, games come down to a few key plays. This is one of them.

    We had zero “big plays” on offense that I can remember. Seattle had two — the play to Baldwin after Wilson ran around for a zillion yards, and the 43-yard pass on the VERY FIRST play after taking over on their own 38 after (predictably) our failing to convert a 4th and 9. (As someone says above, you can blame the decision to go for it there on Dawson — most teams have a kicker that they’re willing to give a shot at a 55-yard FG. We do not. That said, punting would’ve been the right move there — Seattle would’ve likely just taken a knee to end the half if pinned inside their 15.)

    And I agree, Darren, you can’t call it luck that Wilson is able to scramble around like that — but the fact is, he threw up a completely lame-duck pass that should’ve been easy for Bethea to break up. And then we’d have had them in a 3rd and forever, and likely punting. Instead, they get one of their only two TD’s.

    Meanwhile, when we had potential “big plays,” either Stanton missed our receiver, or our receiver couldn’t haul in a well-thrown pass.

    And then their other TD… which was set up by our one big (negative) play in the game, Peterson fumbling when we had the ball near midfield for our opening drive. Yeah, I know, the D forced another 3-and-out right after the fumble, but the problem is, because we’d flipped field position, we were pinned back. When we did nothing on our next series, Seattle got the ball again near midfield, and then scored. So their first TD is directly attributable to Peterson’s fumble and the flipped field position, and their second TD is about that one play where Bethea fell down.

    3 plays — our fumble, the Baldwin reception, and the Richardson reception before the half — that’s basically 17 of Seattle’s 22 points. Throw in 2 more points because of the terrible decision by Williams to field a punt… and a valiant effort by our short-handed team is wasted because of a failure to execute on a few key plays. And Seattle, while they committed a lot of penalties, did NOT have any turnovers, or any stupid decisions (like going for it on 4th and 9), that hurt them in a major way.

  30. By Kevin S Mesa on Nov 10, 2017 | Reply

    Mitchaz —

    You mention the thing that bugged me the most about this game — our completely lackadaisical approach down two scores in the 4th quarter. Given how well the defense played (setting aside a couple big plays), if we had scored with, say, 2-3 minutes on the clock, instead of 20 seconds, with still having a timeout (and the 2 minute warning), a 3-and-out would’ve given us a chance to win the game. But we wasted those minutes huddling up. And not just huddling, but in several cases not getting the snap off until just a couple seconds before the play clock ran out.

    How does a drive take 5 minutes to go from your 19 to the opponent’s 15 when you are passing on every down, stopping the clock with incompletions? Drew Brees, Tom Brady, etc. would’ve run that drive in 2 minutes. OK, we don’t have Brees or Brady, but you get the idea…

  31. By Maricopa Rick on Nov 10, 2017 | Reply

    Hate the Seahawks but like/respect both Wilson and Sherman. I pounded so hard I nearly broke the arm of my recliner when Baldwin caught the ball and was heading down the sideline. “NO NO NO NO NO NO NO”. Spilled my cola and scared the dog to death. Budda made a great tackle inside the 5.

    Way too many drops – my wife was very upset by all of them. Cannot win with receivers playing as poorly as they did last night.

    Season is now officially over – as some have suggested, let’s play other people to see who will be here next year.

  32. By dkerry5242 on Nov 10, 2017 | Reply

    So many boneheaded mistakes you cannot single out just one that turned what could have been a win into another loss.
    No one mentions that Sherman was out for most of the second half, yet we do virtually nothing to target his replacement. Stanton had more time than we gave any QB this year yet he missed open receivers, made some horrible throws and had horrible clock management in the final 7 minutes. Yes we had dropped passes and Fitz was the most reliable receiver we have; but what’s new? He has always been the guy, another reason maybe we should have matched him up with Sherman’s replacement. The offensive line again showed they cannot open holes for the run game. We do nothing to spread the defenders with a couple of wideouts to open up running lanes and prevent Seattle from stacking the box.
    The Special teams are still a mess. What the heck is K. Williams doing fielding a punt on the two yard line?? Poor coaching. The blocked extra point was an exclamation point on how our kicking game has been all year.
    It’s getting harder and harder to be a season ticket holder.

  33. By Dr. G. on Nov 10, 2017 | Reply

    Partial dupe…

    Darren. your opinion whether Stanton remains for 2018 with a new deal? Should//would the FO consider a big $$$ guy like Cousins? And, how do we know what Gabbert can do w/o real game experience? Camp won’t do it. He looks to have potential!!

    If we have a new HC and new GM, the game calling strategy will change, so seeing if Gabbert fits BA’s play calling is seriously moot. I’m thinking big changes coming…esp for BA with health issues and more. SK may be on the bubble? Thx

    Can anyone please explain the rationale for NOT wanting to develop Gabbert? Do we really have a better chance to win with Stanton. The risk of injury to Gabbert is the only reason to keep Gabbert on ice this year. Stanton got banged up some.
    OK…Now? Now, can we see Gabbert next week? Stanton is tough, but his accuracy on many of the open receivers yields no hope for progress . Now, we also need to observe that our Wide outs were simply marginal except for Fitz.

    The OLine wasn’t much help…Stanton needs more time with a slower release…and some ((BA)) risky throws. Usain Bolt couldn’t get to some of those overthrows…ugh…on to next week to see what changes hopefully will be made…
    Regretfully, we must acknowledge the #1 or 2 Defense in the league…

  34. By Dr. G. on Nov 10, 2017 | Reply

    Darren…I am not dis’n on Stanton….just want to see where we go from and into 2018… He has been a good backup.

  35. By Tradersbrain on Nov 10, 2017 | Reply

    Hard to win with a dearth of talent. Ownership deserves better then this!

  36. By Scott H on Nov 10, 2017 | Reply

    Like many others, I thought the defense really tried to bring it last night. They were up for this one. This loss is not on them. Very sad about the injury to Branch. As someone pointed out, he was a real bright spot this year. And the bright spots are hard to find. I also thought I saw some of the REAL Honey Badger last night. That was pretty cool. Tramon Williams is playing better than I would have thought possible. Of course, the fact that he is here and playing at all ( wait….forget playing, how ’bout STARTING? ) speaks volumes about the ridiculous over-evaluation of Bethel, but…..that shouldn’t take away from what Williams is doing. And Olsen Pierre has been delightful.

    The defense brought it last night and I salute them.

    I also think Drew Stanton gets an A for effort as well. He played well at times. His mobility is so noticeable after you get used to Palmer’s concrete feet. But how do you blame Stanton? He is what he is. Some of the errant throws are just too hard to over-look, though.

    It’s hard to run against Seattle, so I don’t hold that against AP. He was ready to carry it 50 times if we asked him to. He just had nowhere to go. The fumble on our first offensive play was…..well, offensive. Given that our defense got the ball right back, that fumble effectively cost us about 45 yards, totally flipped field position. But it’s hard to hold that against him. If he’d had anywhere to run at all, he would have made up for that at some point.

    Ellington just can’t seem to do anything to help himself. Or the team, really. When we got the ball back with 2 min left in the first half, we were moving down the field very nicely until he coughed it up. C’mon, man. You weren’t even touched. You can’t go to the ground and hold on to the ball? We kept the ball but it put us in 4th and long. Another opportunity snuffed out.

    These WR’s…..not really doing much when our back-up QB could use a little more help from them. There is Fitz. And not much else. No one is really stepping up to make a contribution. Nelson has been a disappointment after last year.

    Look, with the injuries early on…..some badly missed throws…..some bad penalties…..couldn’t run the ball…..turnovers…..and let’s not even get started on the ST’s mishaps…..even if you keep it close, you just aren’t going to beat good teams that way.

    And why bother to even comment on the ST’s mishaps? If the organization won’t recognize an on-going problem and hold people accountable…..what will ever change? You saw the answer last night.

    Keim spoke about accountability last week. But we’re way past talking about it. He’s either going to DO something, or he’s going to continue to fail to do his job.

  37. By Johnson on Nov 10, 2017 | Reply

    So here we go another loss but it wasnt a 58-0 loss. Well this is still a garbage team but at least they had their chances to win. The older Bidwill ran this organization the ground, I had high hopes for the younger Bidwill, but he looks to be going the same route. WAKE UP AND SMELL THE GARBAGE!

  38. By Darren Urban on Nov 10, 2017 | Reply

    Aschatte —

    RE: Posts

    Is there a reason you post under different names?

  39. By Dr. G. on Nov 10, 2017 | Reply

    Darren…really do want your take on my questions if you get time. Thx

  40. By Darren Urban on Nov 10, 2017 | Reply

    Dr. G —

    RE: Questions

    1) I’m not sure what they want to do at QB. If you throw big dollars at a QB, doesn’t make sense to draft a guy early. I think they’d rather draft a guy early.
    2) I understand what you are thinking about Gabbert, but he has played six seasons in the NFL. A lot. It’s not like he is an unknown commodity. A guy like Garoppolo has to play to show what he has. Gabbert has been out there a lot elsewhere.

  41. By Scott H on Nov 10, 2017 | Reply

    Dear General Manager –

    Where is the accountability? Another LOUSY game for our Special Teams and there is none??

    You seem to struggle with A-words. Like Aggressiveness. You vowed that we would see it during FA and we saw none. Apparently, Accountability is another one. You spoke of that last week and the need for people to be held accountable. But there has been none.

    How about Action? Well, I guess since that is a concept that is would go along with Aggressiveness AND Accountability, you’re probably not big on this one, either.

    OK, so A-words are out.

    So…..what letter works better for you?

    S…..for stubborn?

    P…..for passive?

    I…..for inept?

    F….for failing?

    B….for blind? Because you would have to be – you’ve been sitting right there and watching the on-going S/T’s mishaps, yet you’ve apparently not SEEN them.

  42. By Scott H on Nov 10, 2017 | Reply

    Ya know, seeing Stanton hobbling around at certain points last night, I am reminded that he hasn’t seemed the most durable guy, either. I couldn’t help thinking it seems inevitable that we’re going to see Gabbert at some point.

    But I don’t WANT that to become necessary because Stanton goes down injured.

    I like Stanton. I think he tries hard. He is a competitor, there is no doubt about that. Nothing about last night was his fault. Well, except a few VERY errant throws.

    But the question I keep coming back to is – where are we going with this??? Unless we are a contender this year OR Stanton is a legit candidate to be our starting QB next year, there is just no reason for us to ride out this season with him as our guy.

    None. If you endorse that line of reasoning, keep reading. If not, just give me the thumbs down and move along.

    We’ve got 6 games left. They’re already meaningless in terms of playoff hopes. So….are we going to make them REALLY meaningless by NOT looking at a QB we obviously believed might offer something in terms of our future?

    Where we goin’ with this?

  43. By Dan Nicholson on Nov 10, 2017 | Reply

    Get’em Darren. Trying to sneak a post past Darren is like trying to sneak the sun past the rooster. It’s not happening. Anyway, liked Cards effort last night except for dropped passes. Wondering and wishing their is a way Cards could get Calvin Ridley, WE from Alabama in 2018 draft and future QB. Ridley can flat out play and is a 4.3 40 guy. Well, just thinking positive.

  44. By CARDS62 on Nov 10, 2017 | Reply

    Read every ones comments and they are very great.
    I think you guys are being too kind to A. Peterson and BA. Watching and listening to the game from home it really felt like our fans were so fired up for the start of the game, and Peterson fumble was huge for momentum. Crowd into the game and we start on Seattle’s 48 yard line sounds like points to me or at least another Dawson early game miss.
    Hey I have told you guys before to stay vocal and you see we got BA to actually defer to the 3rd quarter. So stay vocal and we will get Gabbert.
    Have any of you ever seen worse play calling in a game where a team had over 20 first downs? How many of you were saying first and ten here comes Peterson up the middle. What did AP have like 21 carries for 29 yards and I think 16 of those carries were on 1st down. Not like it was working on first down so you just might want to mix it up some more.

    Some one ask why won’t BA start Gabbert and the answer is the same as why he wont fire any coaches or cut any special teams players just too prideful, but stay vocal my friends and worse case is Keim will force BA to play Gabbert before the season is over. I think Bidwill just got too close to BA and Keim with all of their early success and now can not see the truth like all the rest of us, but hopefully after our final record is posted Mr, Bidwill will see our team for what it has become, a train wreck.

    Feel sorry for all Cardinal Fans but especially season ticket holders.

  45. By Patrick on Nov 10, 2017 | Reply

    How does a pro bowl special teamed like Bethel get back to back holding calls on punts. The second replay showed him holding the guy for 20 yards and then grabbing the guys hips from behind. Has he just quit on his team and team mates?

  46. By Johnson on Nov 10, 2017 | Reply

    @Darren – I am trying to switch to my real name (Johnson Davis, Hello Everyone!) but alas certain browsers save the automatic last username that I have been using aka ashcatte! … Its been months posting and its great to know everyone’s names. Cards62/JTDG – Love reading your comments especially JTDG – i see you really love this team and your insights are amazing.

    Moot point – Maybe you can kindly pass on our frustrations to the Mr Bidwill, the fans want a winning franchise and he needs to do something about it before real fans start losing interest.

    PS – It might switch back to aschatte depending upon the browser I am using

  47. By Darren Urban on Nov 11, 2017 | Reply

    Johnson —

    RE: Names, etc.


  48. By mitchaz on Nov 11, 2017 | Reply


    Thumbs up regarding the 2 minute drill…or, rather the lack thereof..

    How many times has Russell Wilson brought the Seahawks back from behind using the 2 minute drill? This is his 6th season in Seattle.

    Drew Stanton has been with BA in BA’s system for 6 years and he can’t run a 2 minute drill?

    It felt like all BA and DS cared about was getting the score within a touchdown at the end, not winning the game. The time they wasted on the clock was inexcusable.

  49. By Jon on Nov 11, 2017 | Reply

    End of an era. I wouldn’t mind seeing Palmer back for one more year as a placeholder to groom our QB of the future. It has been an absolute pleasure having Palmer as our QB for the last five years. Him and Fitz having one more curtain call would be so, so great. Its almost asking for too much.

    But Arians time here, as well as Keim’s, seem to have reached their logical conclusion.

    On Arians: The play calling is just not good. That almost just goes without saying at this point. Its predictable, its flawed, it doesn’t play to the team’s strengths, its awful. The guy needs an offensive coordinator to call plays for him, but he can’t or won’t see it and to me that’s enough to say goodbye. Well that and of course Amos Jones. Its hard to respect a coach that has no interest in accountability. What more is there to say on that front that hasn’t been said ad nauseam? Arians time is just up.

    On Keim: The drafts. They just haven’t worked out. His entire drafting philosophy is fatally flawed on so, so many levels. The small school “gems” that never ever pan out, the speed over ball skills theory, his inability to distinguish between character and greatness. His time here has just reached its logical conclusion. The results aren’t there.

    Big giant thank yous going out to Palmer, Fitz, Arians, Keim, and M. Bidwell for this huge, epic run.This entire period of Cardinals history has been so fun and an absolute pleasure to watch. While it may not have been sustainable, I firmly believe we are on the verge of starting a whole new chapter. We have hope and a Bidwell who is FINALLY committed to winning.

    It is so great to be a fan of this team. Now and forever.

    Rise up red sea!

  50. By Marlin on Nov 11, 2017 | Reply

    Thanks for your comments. As a season ticket holder for quite some time, I’d like to see BA have as much loyalty to the FANS as he does to his coaches and players!!!

  51. By CORMAC2010 on Nov 11, 2017 | Reply

    One theme I keep hearing is “the short week caused it” I strongly disagree. Every Injury I saw was caused by angles and leverage which multiply the force into a small area . Which overwhelms this area and causes damage.

    Lets look at my other added theory. Its the fr+cking SeaHawks. These games are always knock down drag em in the street dog fights. Every game. I was actually expecting a rash of injuries on both teams to be honest.

  52. By CORMAC2010 on Nov 11, 2017 | Reply


    Ok first of all I like Stanton and Blaine . I loved Blaine out of college and was praying we landed him in the draft…

    Stanton at this point is the best option because of his skill in the offense of Bruce and his wits. But I am not going to lie, I would be excited to see BLAINE get a shot . I just don’t think he is ready like DREW is. I understand the theory of “letting BLAINE learn on the fly and get better” concept. BUT and a big BUTT, I am a strong supporter of playing the best man available. AND that guy is DREW.\

    PEACE OUT!!!

  53. By CORMAC2010 on Nov 11, 2017 | Reply


    OK ok I love Adrian too, but seriously, they go 8 man box. Throw the dam ROCK!!! I get the balance of an offense, but you have to play what the team is giving you. They gave us the pass, all day. That’s WHY you want a run game, so they do an 8 man box and you can pass. We have a big gun in our pocket to scare everyone , and his name is ADRIAN.

  54. By clssylssy on Nov 11, 2017 | Reply

    Well those who have been on the Gabbert wagon will now have no further complaints as it looks as though Stanton is injured and Gabbert will get his start.
    As Darren noted, Gabbert has been in the league for six years so it’s not as if no one has seen what he can do. Yes, he’s mobile but can he throw the football? Does he have a good grasp of our offense? Can he read the field & make good decisions? Does he know our players well enough to have a chemistry with them to be an effective leader? All QBs have errant throws & a few interceptions but the ability to recover from mental errors as well as sacks will be key & I suspect will seal his fate as a future backup QB in the NFL. If he were starter material surely somebody would have noticed by now & made an offer in this QB needy league. I suspect there is a reason he is the backup’s backup. At this point, I’m happy we have him and am hoping for the best!

  55. By Coach K on Nov 11, 2017 | Reply


    They expect to win

    We hope to win

    Totally different attitude from both teams.

    Until we expect to win, we will struggle.

    Nuff said.

  56. By Dan Nicholson on Nov 12, 2017 | Reply

    I still disagree that this teams drafts have been bad or horrible. Do not recall when Cards were winning much if any negativity about those drafts. Now, that said, yeah their are FA’ S and players getting away that have hurt. Michael Floyd burning team hurt & John Brown not being healthy last 2 years hurt offense, along with injuries on o- Line . No GM hits on all draft picks every year , but will say team is getting a few too many small school players. Lucky or not, David Johnson still had to be picked when Cards turn came . What’s really horrible is looking @ the Cardinals IR list. Their is our answer to inconsistent play. Let’s play good next game and win.

  57. By clssylssy on Nov 15, 2017 | Reply

    Actually, with 9 starters down including our QB, losing by just one score doesn’t sound quite as bad as one would think by the comments. Stanton played tough and should not be blamed for the receivers missing, since they have been doing that all season. Our coaches refuse to work on the basics like ball security, catching, tackling, blocking & that stubborness costs us games. The dumb penalties are totally inexcusable & make us look like a sloppy & undisciplined bunch of amatures & we’re capable of better. This was a very winnable game that we just gave away.

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