Cards will need hard look at receiving position

Posted by Darren Urban on December 20, 2017 – 12:08 pm

It’s hard not to notice, when you jump on the Cardinals’ stat page to see where Larry Fitzgerald’s numbers are and then the disparity with the rest of the receiving corps — a group that once again was expected to be a strength but like 2016, has not been. With two games left in the regular season, it is still the departed Andre Ellington (who was cut five games ago) second on the team with 33 catches. Fitzgerald’s 92 receptions is nine more catches than all the other wide receivers this season combined.

If David Johnson had been healthy all season, you’d expect a running back to be high on the receptions list, just like last year. But Johnson didn’t even make it through a game, and once he went down, the pressure went to the receivers to make up for it in the passing game. There are factors involved here — the pass protection has not been consistent, especially with all the injuries on the offensive line. Starting quarterback Carson Palmer only played half the season. But it’s clear that receiver — after only the QB spot and offensive line — will be a position of focus for General Manager Steve Keim this offseason.

Even if Fitzgerald comes back to play another season (which he has not said he will for sure yet), the Cardinals need to address wide receiver. John Brown and Jaron Brown will be unrestricted free agents. J.J. Nelson, who started strong and then struggled through inconsistency catching the ball, will be back. Chad Williams enters an important offseason after a nondescript rookie year. Brittan Golden, who is more important on special teams, has to heal from a broken arm and is also a free-agent-to-be.

After 2015, when the receiving unit was excellent and looked like it would be for a few years, the group hasn’t been the same. Losing Michael Floyd and having John Brown’s production fall off so precipitously has been a killer. Again, other spots will get more attention on offense. The quarterback thing has reached a critical point, and the long-term offensive line has to be found. But wide receiver will also be in the spotlight.

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43 Responses to “Cards will need hard look at receiving position”

  1. By D on Dec 20, 2017 | Reply

    Cards Christmas list getting longer than my 5yr old.
    QB, OL, WR, TE, CB, DL and maybe an entire coaching staff

  2. By mal on Dec 20, 2017 | Reply


    Do you speak French?

  3. By Darren Urban on Dec 20, 2017 | Reply

    Mal —

    RE: French


  4. By Scott H on Dec 20, 2017 | Reply

    Wait a minute…..ANDRE ELLINGTON ( who isn’t even here anymore ) is 2nd in receptions for this team???? Oh, for the love of god…..I’m not sure which is worse – that, or Fitz having more catches than all other WR’s combined.

    Either way, it just underscores how bad it is.

    I swear, it seems like over-night, between 2015 and 2016, everybody not named Fitzgerald just fell off the map. Actually, not everybody….Nelson looked like he was really coming on late last year.

    2015 – we had Fitz, Floyd, both Browns, and Nelson and it felt like we had an embarrassment of riches at WR, maybe the deepest WR corps in the league.

    2016 – Fitz was still standing tall, Floyd and both Browns disappeared, and Nelson only started to contribute late in the season. Our RB is our 2nd leading receiver.

    2017 – Fitz is still standing tall and nobody else is contributing worth a damn

    Wow. Great drafting and player development at that position, huh?

  5. By Jeff A on Dec 20, 2017 | Reply

    Darren –

    What are the drops numbers and thrown to/catches for the WRs/TEs/RBs?

  6. By Darren Urban on Dec 20, 2017 | Reply

    Jeff A —

    RE: Drops/Targets

    I’d have to research that. Maybe a post after the season.

  7. By MedBird on Dec 20, 2017 | Reply

    Jaron brown is the biggest dissapointment, he was supposed to be good enough for a 2nd WR and has been on the team long enough. I think they haven’t even thrown to him in the last 2 games although he played 90% of the snaps, thats like playing 10 vs 11. He looked decent when he was a part time WR and before his injury, maybe he just never got over that? I hope chad williams gets a chance in the last 2 games. A lot of work for this offseason.

  8. By Rugbymuffin on Dec 20, 2017 | Reply

    …….JJ Nelson will be back ?

    I would pump the brakes on that statement. What has he done to earn a spot ?

  9. By Darren Urban on Dec 20, 2017 | Reply

    Rugby —

    RE: Nelson

    You can pump if you want. I feel confident he’ll be back. Someone has to play wide receiver.

  10. By Ken P on Dec 20, 2017 | Reply

    If JJ Nelson enters the 2018 season in the top 4 WR’s on depth chart, I would venture to say that Cards miss playoffs once again.

  11. By mitchaz on Dec 20, 2017 | Reply

    I would like to see something like this happen at WR in 2018:

    1. Larry Fitzgerald—returns.
    2. Jarvis Landry—UFA (Dolphins) or Allen Robinson—UFA (Jaguars)
    3. Anthony Miller—(Rd. 2, Memphis) or Dante Pettis (Rd. 2, Washington)
    4. Chad Williams—pulls a Steve Breaston in Year 2
    5. J.J. Nelson—comes back stronger and more focused to be one of the deep threats.
    6. Carlos Agudosi—becomes a splash player in 2018 as big target downfield.

    I haven’t given up on Nelson. Will never forget his permanence vs.the Bengals on MNF. It was electric.

  12. By Mike S on Dec 20, 2017 | Reply

    I would venture to say that the Cards miss the playoffs next year regardless of who their wide receivers are……too many other holes to fill.

  13. By Scott H on Dec 20, 2017 | Reply

    AND it’s not like we have a TE or TE’s that catch a lot of passes here.

    When Steve Keim says we have a lot of work to do, I couldn’t agree with him more.

    Unfortunately, HE is the biggest reason why that statement is so true.

    For many years, you knew Larry Fitzgerald was going to be our leading receiver because he was just SOOOOO damn good. He would have been ANY team’s leading receiver. But even though he continues to play at a high level and to be productive, it’s become a situation where he continues to be our leading receiver because the organization has failed – for several years now – to continue to up-grade at that position.

    While they’ve also continued to fail to up-grade the QB position. And on the O-line. And on the D-line. And at CB. Or at punter / kicker. And the TE position.

    And the losing seasons we’ve had in 2016 and ( probably ) this year are the culmination of these failures.

    And when ya look at it that way……yeah, the GM probably SHOULD be apologizing.

  14. By Richard S on Dec 20, 2017 | Reply

    If you click on the ESPN site you can go under the NFL Scoreboard heading and go from week to week to week to see how many times each receiver was targeted and how many catches he had. It’d take some time, but the numbers are there.

  15. By creditcard on Dec 20, 2017 | Reply

    I have an idea. Except for Fitz, and Wetzel, have the O-line switch positions with the WRs. The O-line can’t block, m/b they can catch. The current crop of receivers can’t catch, perhaps they can block.

    Give it a try … can’t be worse than what we have now.

  16. By NJAzCardsFan on Dec 20, 2017 | Reply

    With all of the injuries, are the Cards going to hold open tryouts in the parking lot for the last game…??? The Cards have one of the best IR lineups in the NFL…..

  17. By creditcard on Dec 20, 2017 | Reply

    Somehow, certain teams constantly always draft the ‘right’ guys. Likewise, some teams always tends to continually pick duds.

    Maybe, just maybe it has more to do with player development or lack thereof.

  18. By Darren Urban on Dec 20, 2017 | Reply

    credit —

    RE: draft

    I’d be curious for you to note which teams. Because I can’t think of any team that “constantly” draft the right guys. For instance, the Seahawks had a good run — but then have had some clunkers, and they are getting into a tougher spot.

    This isn’t a defense of the Cardinals, who need to be better. But truly look at teams and their draft classes and tell me who you are talking about.

    I’d be willing to bet the teams you are thinking of are teams with … wait for it … a franchise QB that tends to cover up warts like draft misfires.

  19. By creditcard on Dec 20, 2017 | Reply

    See if Tom Coughlin wants to live in the Phoenix area, If so, see if he wants to help the Cards in any capacity.

  20. By creditcard on Dec 20, 2017 | Reply

    God, I hope we answer our most critical question…. who will be our punter? Lee will probably retire, so were back to square # 1, again.

    Certainly, looking for a QB for the future, a decent O-line, and D-line is minuscule in comparison to that critical punter position.

  21. By creditcard on Dec 20, 2017 | Reply

    Darren you are right, I was thinking of teams (Pitts, New Eng Seattle, G/B) that do have franchise QB’s.

    Still,I get this feeling that our player development is not as polished as it should be.

  22. By Ken Moroney on Dec 20, 2017 | Reply

    John Brown can’t stay healthy. The new tight end can help. Not a fan of Jelson.
    Jaron Brown has worked hard and has great hands; I would keep him for sure. I don’t know about Williams. Won’t matter if we can’t get time to pass..if we throw over a receiver’s head like Stanton does, if we use BA play calling…we need a quick release QB and then worry about receivers

  23. By El Gallo on Dec 20, 2017 | Reply

    Hard look at WR position

    – Without a doubt it’s been a necessity going back to when Floyd was inconsistent and Smokey began to break down. That was a fact for 2yrs, Floyd has been gone for a year. Smokey sad to say but his impact on team gone, statistically he’s been gone too, can’t remember the last time he started and lasted a full game. The clutch plays of Jaron Brown dropped considerably, JJ is wildly inconsistent and again all WRs not named Fitz could not hang onto 🏈. Essentially there was no real production coming from anyone here, minus Fitz. Poor OL/QB play taken into account, they (WRs) still have to do their jobs – catch a 🏈.

    GM answer to this: WR Chad Williams in 3rd round, no playing time or production because of the whole ‘ rookies not ready till November’ Arians philosophy (which is hard to swallow when other teams rookies are succeeding regardless). If they’re not ready, why did you draft them??? No significant names brought in with credible stats to bolster the receiving corps, got it. It’s been 2 Years of this.
    One would have liked to have seen Carlton Agudosi get a shot.. The young guy is 6’6″ right? And if he has decent speed for his body type you’d expect that he has decent hands or else what is he doing on the PS?
    If what you have on the field isn’t working why not give other guys a chance?? C’mon man all we need to say is Ricky Seals-Jones.

    – Other position needs
    With a plethora of needs we could go on here. We all know QB is of the highest need then the rest are debatable in sequence but essential in building a high caliber team.

    Instead I want to bring focus on “Who” our FO is targeting. I go back read and listen to what the GM described as their philosophy.
    Kids with: Great Character, Leaders, Captains, High Football I.Q., and Physical Tallent. He also mentioned Measurables. Measurables it seems has gotten a significant amount of weight when deciding to put name to paper on draft day.

    Most recently:
    ILB – Haason Reddick. Combine Measurables off the chart, successful at new position during senior bowl. College position DE. Had steep learning curve with new position in NFL, expedited starter with Bucannon injury. Can count on one hand the memorable plays he’s had at both ILB & OLB positions. Suffice to say he’s had minimal to no significant impact being a #13 overall selection.
    Currently being out played by Josh Bynes, credit to Bynes who’s in his 7th year. FO it took you 7yrs to find this guy at this position where he has made a noticeable and immediate impact. He’s lead in tackles when playing among being an all around pro and “knowing his job/schemes”. Who was here before him starting, before Bucannon? Minter.
    Now try to think back and remember how many times Kevin Minter lead the team in tackles during a game, without looking it up I can maybe say once or twice.
    Reddick, great guy. Has all you’d want with respects to Character, Talent and incredible Measurables. But with his selection being so high, forgoing on other needs or players that now in hindsight have been successful, it just takes the wind out of our sales. Measurables over stats, with the tag ‘he can play anywhere’.
    I brought up Minter because what were his stats in college before being drafted? Not all impressive if he was ranked as a mid-rounder, 3rd round at best. Cards FO selected him 2nd Rd, must’ve been his being a leader with good character which he was and always very honest post games. But brought in as the “Thumper” didn’t really see much of that or impact.
    Now let’s think about stats and this years draft pick against ours in Hasson. I throw in T.J. Watt, who played DE also. Injuries to both knees is why most suspect TJ fell to pick 30. Still both players overcoming injuries were taken in 1st Rd. Haason finished with 10.5 sacks to Watts 11.5. Cardinals couldn’t resist passing up on Hassons exceptional combine/bowl performance. Present day, regardless of defensive schemes, it’s a matter of production. Who’s making an impact at ILB or OLB since Hasson has had a chance at both? Body type seems to be aiding T.J. Watt more so than Hassons and his measurables at this point. All about production at the end.
    NFL Career Stats:
    Hasson – Tckl: 31, Sck: 2.5, FF: 2, Int: 0
    Watt – Tckl: 44, Sck: 6, FF: 1, Int: 1

    – I would just ask that proven players, who play at their own Natural Position get higher grades this time around. Their stats speak for themselves. Measurables at the time of drafts/bowls are great and all, lets you see physically if they have something to offer and that’s good but man it can’t be everything.
    The guys that have the stats in college are the ones producing then and now. Yes we expect all the Character traits to be there (leader, good guy, i.q., talent) but what’s all that if they can’t produce?
    Being the fastest guy in the draft is a cool talking point but can you continually catch the ball, stay on the field, be physical (Smokey, JJ)? How many touchdowns, yards and catches do you have?
    Incredible speed, strength and other various physical attributes got you far in college but can you transfer that to the NFL and stay healthy (Nkemdiche)? How many sacks, TFL do you have? Consider this for Nkemdiche, in each of his 3yrs of college he got no more than 3 sacks ONCE, the others 2 per. Seems like the Measurables again out weighs the Production and in his case Character concerns.

    – The FO needs to define what it is placing at a higher value when selecting. Mr. Bidwill places his trust here on Kiem to make the prudent decision and so far this is where I think the inconsistency begins to come in. Placing higher grades for some on sheer physical ability vs others on production. You have to question their grades/perception of I.Q. if so many of our rookies “aren’t ready” (Humphries “knee deep”), (Boehm being lost in depth of playbook) or have to “mature” (Nkemdiche). Anyone see an ongoing trend here?

    If a player is having success at whatever their position is, leading or at the top of his peer group, this is a clear indication that they are physically capable and already possess the measurables. I for one would stick with the proven players, they’re at the top of their class for a reason despite measurables moving them up or down the draft boards. Stats never lie.

    Production and Impact has to be at the forefront now since this is what our team is Lacking. It’s cool to see a small school guy get picked up, great story but does he have the resumé to succeed in the NFL, most do not.
    Why does it feel like our GM is constantly looking for the next diamond in the rough a la David Johnson?? You got him, great! Now how about a viable QB that’s 1st Rd quality?? Why won’t you take a chance and move up because the picks you’ve saved in the past haven’t amounted to much in the mid rounds save for who, Honey Badger, David J. and Budda? The latter two have been hurt so.. who have you been saving them for again??

    How about a credible CB2 to complement PP, after this being a glaring need and it’s been years because?? No, differ selection to a player who used to be a running back. Does he at least have the stats in his lone year to merit a 3rd selection ??
    Ok.., following year the Glaring Need still evident, possible CB2 isn’t selected till 6th round (Ford) since Budda will primarily take on Safety duties since that was the organization talk.. Enter Chad Williams Round 3, dude doesn’t even play being a 3rd rounder in a stacked CB draft, why??
    All hindsight now sure, but we all knew it then and now there was such need at the DB position. At the time it struck me and not in a good way. Having a room full of WRs in house all coming back, you add another?
    Their response to this may be, Bethel and B. Williams were competing for DB2 but again neither were True Corners to begin with. No stats for either as a viable DB before NFL and during. Bethel was a good safety in college, upon Arians arrival he chose to have Bethel focus solely as a corner since he was splitting time at safety because he was incredibly athletic. Wonder what he’d look like at his natural position?
    Would any other ‘top 5 defense’ (last year) make such decisions?? Remember ‘top 5 defense’ while DB Cooper was and ended as starter. Happened again later this year where both were supplanted by a true DB Tramon Williams when he should have started from the jump, he’s a pro he would’ve learned schemes so that’s not an excuse.
    Brandon Williams was selected in the 3rd Rd because of his stats? No. Average at best. Wonder who else was available at that point in the draft hmm, it’s reasonable to say he would’ve been there in later rounds. Good guy though, must have been everything else because right now the production just isn’t there and wasn’t unfortunately.

    – To finish, GM must really hit on players. We get it, no one is 100% a sure thing. But football fans can spot good players just as easily as those who employ and coach them. We can see why those players are successful and why they win, their stats back their play. Most often they’re surrounded by other quality players who also produce, so go get them.
    No more of this let’s wait till they fall to us, the board dictates what we do, let others make the moves, we don’t move up in the high rounds we move down, let’s actually Go Get them. If not the mediocrity will set in and we seem to be heading there. You want Quality, Success, a Championship? Get Quality Players.

    You do that Mr. GM and we’ll keep watching, Deal??

    -Respectfully, long time fan here

  24. By Jim Richardson on Dec 20, 2017 | Reply

    Darren, we haven’t had any good receivers for two years now. Even a football novice could have looked our roster in the preseason and determined that we had no-one reliable to help Fitz with the receiving chores. At the end of the preseason we cut the best receiver in training camp – Jeremy Ross.

    And, as far as David Johnson goes, you seem to forget that we had David Johnson last year and he had a pro bowl type season, yet we still finished 8-8. David will obviously help next year, but he is not the answer to our receiving woes.

    We are pretty screwed for next year. We not only have to majorly overhaul our offensive line, we have to completely rebuild our receiving core, and I haven’t even mentioned quarterback.

    Let’s hope Keim can work some miracles.

  25. By JTDG on Dec 20, 2017 | Reply

    JuJu Smith Schuster has 43 catches for 700 yards and 5 TDs.

    Yeah, that would have helped a bit.

  26. By Erik on Dec 20, 2017 | Reply

    The only hope I have for this team is that Keim is not picking our future players come April. I have zero confidence in his ability at this point.

  27. By Big Ken on Dec 21, 2017 | Reply

    With the caliber of QB play I’d be cautious about scraping our entire receiving corp. Definitely evaluate the group, draft and bring in an above average if not stellar free agent.

  28. By mitchaz on Dec 21, 2017 | Reply

    What’s discouraging about the Cardinals’ WRs (other than Fitz) is how they have regressed from year to year within the system. Michael Floyd, John Brown, Jaron Browm and J.J. Nelson were better early on in their tenures and each trailed off. The all became less and less productive and confident with each year. Why is that? Why—all of them? Yes, John Brown has been battling through sickle cell anemia. But the rest?

    It seems reasonable to question the coaching in this regard. Player should be improving, not getting worse. These WRs look so tight and so tentative that it looks like they’ve been yelled at for too long. There comes a point where f bombing them one minute and hugging them the next does not work.

    Remember how in pre-season BA lauded the WR “room” at the beginning of camp and said how they had 10 NFL caliber WRs…and then three weeks later…he comes out and declares that other than Fitz, none of the WRs were playing like NFL caliber players. So, which is it? This type of yo-yo-ing has not helped in building the confidence of the individuals or the group.

    When Kurt Warner was here, he took each WR on the roster under his wing and worked to build chemistry and confidence with each of them. When Steve Breaston arrived—he couldn’t catch a watermelon. Yet, in year two Breaston was catching everything in sight. Look at what Warner did with a marginal NFL talent in Jerhome Urban. Urban became a go-to 3rd down conversion WR at times, when teams were bracketing Fitz and Warner liked the mismatch he had with the #4 CB covering Urban.

    We are not seeing this type of individual and team building in recent years. And it has been so frustrating to watch these WRs regress into nervous nellies and unreliable pass catchers.

  29. By John S. on Dec 21, 2017 | Reply

    I still think BA/Kiem have put too much priority on speed, the occasional deep strike threat I suppose, and not enough weight on the other factors involved. I suppose the idea here is to coach/train better route running and good hands into them as the plan, to create them. Not that that can’t work at times, just think most of this is instinct and heart.. they have it or they don’t. I’d be happier with a few less steps down field so to say, and having somebody you can consistently count on… those types that just seem to be able to get open and then hold onto the ball, but not necessarily the “Flash” down field…

  30. By drblogubc on Dec 21, 2017 | Reply

    Mitchaz, I could not agree with you more. I started having niggling doubts about Arians back in 2014 when he mocked Jeff Fisher and the Rams, saying they were always an 8-8 team (Fisher may be long gone but look at the humbling reversal, where even an 8-8 season is now unlikely for the Cards.) I thought there was something disturbing about a coach who could not be gracious in winning.

    His post-game comments often take the form of targeting individuals or player groups. He seems to have the philosophy that by demeaning players when they under-perform, they will rise to the occasion in the next game. I suppose this sometimes does happen but long-term I think you are right about the overall regression and that our WRs are “tight and tentative”.

    Listen, I am no Seahawks fan. I cheer for whatever team they play each week. But I can’t help compare Pete Carroll’s respect for his players, even in a loss, to Bruce Arians’ quick reaction of casting blame. Carroll seems to be more about “team” as demonstrated by his willingness to always take personal responsibility for his own failings while refusing to target individual players for theirs.

  31. By Dr. G. on Dec 21, 2017 | Reply

    MitchAZ, JTDG, ScottH, Darren…

    With the assumptions that BA will be retired, and more than likely Carson will chose to retire and maybe become an asst somewhere later on…

    How about Mike Patricia or Josh McDaniels depending upon a preference to Offense or Defense minded leadership? ((Frankly, I dream of having both))

    JTDG – I recall your questioning if Brady was key to McDs success, but can it be bad to bring a winning attitude. These 2 men are highly touted as of right now. I’ll take either over status quo or who is out there… And working for no-nonsense Belichick is a serious asset… be well

  32. By Dr. G. on Dec 21, 2017 | Reply

    Darren – – quoting you, ” wait for it … a franchise QB that tends to cover up warts like draft misfires.”” Agree, we really need “”the guy.””

    Assume Palmer chooses to retire….

    Obviously, you have agreed that QB is priority one. And given, that most so-called can’t-miss QBs in the draft in recent years are riding the pine, its always a crap shoot. Can you point to a few favorites who may become a franchise QB? Or would you lean toward a vet FA for the starter & also draft one.

    The stage is mostly set for who is coming out…or is it still too early for you to comment? Thanks

  33. By Darren Urban on Dec 21, 2017 | Reply

    Dr. G —

    RE: QB

    Anything I would say is a guess right now. And as for the guys coming out, I don’t have any more insight than most. I might have someone I like from afar after the combine is over, but if I really knew, I could be making a lot more money than I do now.

    For multiple reasons, I think the Cardinals want to draft that guy, not find him on the open market — the biggest reason being the major advantage you get when you find that good rookie QB and he is cheap at first. As great as Jimmy G is for SF thus far, they will never get the total advantage of a young QB because he is already going to get a huge contract.

  34. By Dr. G. on Dec 21, 2017 | Reply

    Mitch….as opposed to your take on the WRs getting worse, you seem to get smarter as an observer!!! Yeah, never been a fan of the “”hammer ’em now, and hug ’em later”” sounds good to assure accountability, but it usually creates dissent and lack of confidence. ((looking over your shoulder constantly))

    I do remember that BA wanted the guys to fight for playing time; that is good, but the bluster is just that.

  35. By Scott H on Dec 21, 2017 | Reply

    Jim Richardson –

    RE: Let’s hope Keim can work some miracles

    No, let’s just hope Keim can just do his damn job! How ‘ bout that? Shouldn’t that be enough if he knows what he is doing???

    Maybe the reason we’re hoping for miracles is because of the poor job he has done in recent seasons.

  36. By Adam Smith b1723 fka DTL on Dec 21, 2017 | Reply

    2018 leading Receivers:
    Fitz, David Johnson, Chad, Seals Jones, John Brown, some surprises

  37. By Jesus on Dec 21, 2017 | Reply

    Darren, It looks like El Gallo is applying for your Job.

  38. By mitchaz on Dec 21, 2017 | Reply

    Dr. G—

    I do not think Josh McDaniels has the gravitas of a HC. He’s a superb OC and will likely stay with the Pats as long as Brady is the QB.

    I’m not that sure about Matt Patricia either. I think Mike Vrabel will be the hotter candidate if a team wants tho do like the Steelers did and go with a young defensive minded HC.

    The possible candidates that intrigue me the most are:

    Pat Shurmur—has HC experience (in CLE, so take that as you will) and is out-foxing defenses week after week with Case Keenam at QB.

    John Fassel—has the AZ connection through his dad who was a good OC here. This guy has an uncanny command of detail that gives the entire football team an edge. It would depend on whom he could bring with him as OC and DC.

    Todd Hsley—AZ connection, would be a boon for Fitz at this point in his career. Took KC to the playoffs as HC before GM Scott Pioli ruined him. Plus, at KC, Haley showcased a first-rate rushing attack—see David Johnson.

  39. By Scott H on Dec 22, 2017 | Reply

    Wow….very sobering and sad to think that this could be Larry’s last game at UoP stadium…..I have to think there will be some extra effort ( beyond the natural tendency to want to get the ball to your best offensive player ) to get Larry the ball. I think this is a 2-TD game for Larry and maybe over 100 yards.

  40. By clssylssy on Dec 22, 2017 | Reply

    It was mentioned yesterday on Rich Eisem that Pat Shumar & Case Keenan would possibly be a package deal for somebody, since Minnesota likely couldn’t keep all three QBs & it was felt they would go w Bridgewater & Bradford (that could change obviously w a SB win by Keenan). Nonetheless, Shumar + a QB would be an attractive deal.
    With these killer defenses becoming more important & prevalent, I’m beginning to think we need a defensive minded coach since that is where are strength has been & would give us the best shot at being competitive in a shorter time. Thoughts? (I’m also a big Todd Haley fan)

  41. By Adam Smith b1723 fka DTL on Dec 22, 2017 | Reply

    Yep. Wont miss Sunday’s game for the world. Want to see Fitz…. just in case. But think its 90% he’ll ‘be back” … the Terminator

  42. By mitchaz on Dec 22, 2017 | Reply


    I like the idea of a Shurmur/Keenam package deal as long as we draft a QB early.

    I too like Haley and was thinking today that Fitz might play 2 more years if Haley is the HC.

    Most of all…I agree with your choices because I think we need to build the offense around RB David Johnson and Shurmur and Haley have the expertise and creativity to do that.

  43. By harryinaz on Dec 30, 2017 | Reply

    Why has nobody mentioned special teams? They’ve been awful this season, among the worst – if not the worst special teams units in the NFL. Lousy blocking, weak tackling. Time to talk about another special teams coach, maybe? I’d like to see the stats on ST punt and kickoff returns. How many punt returns of 10 yards or more have the AZ special teams had? How many have the opponents had against them? Same for KO returns.

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